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  1. #1
    Marc
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    Default Fusion 9 memory problem!

    Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!

    Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!

    A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!

    With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!

    a pity..

    marc



  2. #2
    Helmuth Ritzer
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    Marc,

    not that this whould help you in your current situation but doing a site
    with 1300 in NOF is just not the right thing to do. You should really think
    about replacing some of your pages thru a database driven solution resulting
    in tremendous reduction in size.

    I whould never ever try to manage a site of this size with NOF or any other
    tool. Just think about what you have to do to make sure that everything is
    consistent and sound.

    Instead of trying to get your site up and running in NOF9 think about a
    redesign.

    Nevertheless, I agree with you that NOF9 should not be worse then the former
    version.

    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    > Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    > version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    > 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    > CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >
    > A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >
    > With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >
    > a pity..
    >
    > marc
    >
    >




  3. #3
    Djsteve007
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!


    On Sun, Nov 13 2005 8:27 am, "Helmuth Ritzer" <helmuth.ritzer@t-online.de> said:
    >Marc,
    >
    >not that this whould help you in your current situation but doing a site
    >with 1300 in NOF is just not the right thing to do. You should really think
    >about replacing some of your pages thru a database driven solution resulting
    >in tremendous reduction in size.
    >
    >I whould never ever try to manage a site of this size with NOF or any other
    >tool. Just think about what you have to do to make sure that everything is
    >consistent and sound.
    >
    >Instead of trying to get your site up and running in NOF9 think about a
    >redesign.
    >
    >Nevertheless, I agree with you that NOF9 should not be worse then the former
    >version.
    >
    >"Marc" <marc@herms.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    >news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >>
    >> Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    >> version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    >> 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    >> CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >>
    >> A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >>
    >> With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >>
    >> a pity..
    >>
    >> marc
    >>
    >>

    >
    >

    I had the same problem when trying to import and work on my V 7 sites with Version 8.
    That is exactly why I returned version 8 for refund.
    I thank you for noting this issue and saving me the time.
    For the record I have heard this suggestion that we shouldn't be using fusion
    for a web site with 1000 pages before, many times, everyone always says make a
    databse site.
    Well, I've tried working with fusion's database and gotten really poor results.
    I also think it is ridiculous to have a program with the ability to make photo
    galleries, and then say not to use fusion for 1000 page sites.
    Oh and by the way, there should be a warning on the netobjects site saying that
    upgrading may not work with your previous netobjects sites.

    Love the addition of automatic backups, my most sought after feature request,
    although I am in such a habit of using export site with second copy running in
    the background, I can't see blowing $200 for an auto backup, especially when my
    dozens of other sites will not be usable or editable in V9 it seems.

    Steve
    http://www.netobjectsfusionfrustrations.blogspot.com



  4. #4
    Jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    This has always been somewhat of a problem - Fusion's great strenghts
    include such things as auto nav bar generation and a very good site
    structure view, and yet once your site goes over 100 pages things can become
    unstable.

    If you only have a few pages, you might as well use a tool that gives you
    better control over the html generated, like dreamweaver.

    For a medium sized site where site structure becomes important, Fusion is
    great.

    But then once you get big, you're out of luck as your site is in Fusion's
    proprietary format and you're stuck... you have to either live with Fusion's
    instability, break up your site into lots of little sub-sites which means
    each time you update the look, you have to do this many times thus becoming
    somewhat of a chore, or start from scratch using other tools.

    I wish WSP would focus on making Fusion able to handle large sites with ease
    so Fusion users didn't have to worry about their site getting too big. A
    proprietary format is fine, until you outgrow it.

    Djsteve007> wrote in message news:1_84_209@gfwebforum.com...
    >
    > On Sun, Nov 13 2005 8:27 am, "Helmuth Ritzer" <helmuth.ritzer@t-online.de>
    > said:
    >>Marc,
    >>
    >>not that this whould help you in your current situation but doing a site
    >>with 1300 in NOF is just not the right thing to do. You should really
    >>think
    >>about replacing some of your pages thru a database driven solution
    >>resulting
    >>in tremendous reduction in size.
    >>
    >>I whould never ever try to manage a site of this size with NOF or any
    >>other
    >>tool. Just think about what you have to do to make sure that everything is
    >>consistent and sound.
    >>
    >>Instead of trying to get your site up and running in NOF9 think about a
    >>redesign.
    >>
    >>Nevertheless, I agree with you that NOF9 should not be worse then the
    >>former
    >>version.
    >>
    >>"Marc" <marc@herms.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    >>news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    >>> Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >>>
    >>> Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    >>> version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it
    >>> takes
    >>> 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    >>> CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >>>
    >>> A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >>>
    >>> With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >>>
    >>> a pity..
    >>>
    >>> marc
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    > I had the same problem when trying to import and work on my V 7 sites with
    > Version 8.
    > That is exactly why I returned version 8 for refund.
    > I thank you for noting this issue and saving me the time.
    > For the record I have heard this suggestion that we shouldn't be using
    > fusion
    > for a web site with 1000 pages before, many times, everyone always says
    > make a
    > databse site.
    > Well, I've tried working with fusion's database and gotten really poor
    > results.
    > I also think it is ridiculous to have a program with the ability to make
    > photo
    > galleries, and then say not to use fusion for 1000 page sites.
    > Oh and by the way, there should be a warning on the netobjects site saying
    > that
    > upgrading may not work with your previous netobjects sites.
    >
    > Love the addition of automatic backups, my most sought after feature
    > request,
    > although I am in such a habit of using export site with second copy
    > running in
    > the background, I can't see blowing $200 for an auto backup, especially
    > when my
    > dozens of other sites will not be usable or editable in V9 it seems.
    >
    > Steve
    > http://www.netobjectsfusionfrustrations.blogspot.com
    >
    >




  5. #5
    Marc
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    > But then once you get big, you're out of luck as your site is in Fusion's
    > proprietary format and you're stuck... you have to either live with
    > Fusion's instability, break up your site into lots of little sub-sites
    > which means each time you update the look, you have to do this many times
    > thus becoming somewhat of a chore, or start from scratch using other
    > tools.


    You are all right, I know that my site with 1300+ pages shouldnīt be done
    with Fusion, but I started the site with some pages and Fusion 1.0 !!!!!!!
    MANY years ago!!!!

    And it became always bigger. Now it has more than 1300 pages and I can NOT
    split it up into several sites. Itīs because I need to copy and paste
    between pages....

    And I donīt have time to make something db driven....

    My site should work and thatīs it!!!!

    Right now, I have ONLY problems with Fusion and it takes me a LOT of my
    time!!! :-(((

    Images donīt get uploaded, banners vanish and navbars (text) have wrong font
    size... and many more to come... :-((

    thatīs not what I need now... I need to work, NOT trying to fix software
    problems!!!

    marc



  6. #6
    sean
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:10:12 +0100, "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote:


    >
    >And it became always bigger. Now it has more than 1300 pages and I can NOT
    >split it up into several sites. Itīs because I need to copy and paste
    >between pages....
    >
    >And I donīt have time to make something db driven....
    >
    >My site should work and thatīs it!!!!
    >


    why? NOF was not designed to do this.
    As a user since Verson 1.0, you have known this all along.
    It does not KNOW you just need it to work
    You are the one who has the intelligence, not the program.
    You are the one who was supposed to avoid this problem occuring.
    It is YOUR FAULT.

    >Right now, I have ONLY problems with Fusion and it takes me a LOT of my
    >time!!! :-(((
    >


    Probably MORE time than it would take to rebuild the site using a
    solution such as WebSmith.


    >Images donīt get uploaded, banners vanish and navbars (text) have wrong font
    >size... and many more to come... :-((
    >
    >thatīs not what I need now... I need to work, NOT trying to fix software
    >problems!!!
    >
    >marc
    >


    exactly.
    But it is YOUR problem, of YOUR making.
    It is not NOF's problem.

    be smart and do the following:

    1. Return to your most recent perfect backup, split the site into
    three as per the three languages and then get those three sites into
    the best shape you can. Upload.

    2. You can avoid a lot of the difficulty learning databases by using
    SoftIdiom's WebSmith 3. It's a WYSIWYG cgi/perl program which will
    handle what you need.

    here's a WebSmith travel site:

    http://www.soulhawaii.com/

    http://www.soulhawaiitravel.com/

    OR

    bite the bullet you should have bitten years ago and migrate to

    1. Cold Fusion (the easiest to learn)

    OR

    2. Migrate to an open source PHP/MySQL portal (the cheapest)

    OR

    Migrate to an ASP/M$SQL solution like Ektron's great range of
    solutions.


    Sooner or later, you MUST do this.
    Right now, your site looks crappy and out-dated.
    You need to bring it into the 21st century.....
    (sorry to seem rude, but someone needs to be frank with you)

    sean



  7. #7
    Adrian Hobbs
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    If cut-n-paste between pages is your main reason for having such a humungous
    site, then try breaking the site up into 200-page chunks (that's about the
    size my
    machine starts to get too slow.)

    Then open up two instances of NOF each with a different sub-site and you can
    still cut-n-paste between them.

    I developed and managed sites totalling 20,000 pages in one organisation
    using NOF in the mid to late 90's. and that process worked fine.

    Adrian
    _____________________________

    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    news:dlbjcl$8u4@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> But then once you get big, you're out of luck as your site is in Fusion's
    >> proprietary format and you're stuck... you have to either live with
    >> Fusion's instability, break up your site into lots of little sub-sites
    >> which means each time you update the look, you have to do this many times
    >> thus becoming somewhat of a chore, or start from scratch using other
    >> tools.

    >
    > You are all right, I know that my site with 1300+ pages shouldnīt be done
    > with Fusion, but I started the site with some pages and Fusion 1.0 !!!!!!!
    > MANY years ago!!!!
    >
    > And it became always bigger. Now it has more than 1300 pages and I can NOT
    > split it up into several sites. Itīs because I need to copy and paste
    > between pages....
    >
    > And I donīt have time to make something db driven....
    >
    > My site should work and thatīs it!!!!
    >
    > Right now, I have ONLY problems with Fusion and it takes me a LOT of my
    > time!!! :-(((
    >
    > Images donīt get uploaded, banners vanish and navbars (text) have wrong
    > font size... and many more to come... :-((
    >
    > thatīs not what I need now... I need to work, NOT trying to fix software
    > problems!!!
    >
    > marc
    >
    >




  8. #8
    Helmuth Ritzer
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    Steve,

    again, no matter if NOF supports it or not (or any other tool) the concept
    as such manually maintaining a 1300+ page site is in my opinion the problem.

    Think about it again, it's like writing a book in WordPad finding out it
    doesn't scale and then blame MS for not having said so. Not every hammer
    fits to every nail.

    Of course the DB comps in NOF are not the solution either (i agree) you
    really want an kind of CMS for such a tasks. That's what these guys are made
    for.

    Btw, there are at least ten other use cases I whould never ever use NOF for.
    But the one I am using it for is worth the money for me. Simple and I don't
    get frustrated ...

    <Djsteve007> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1_84_209@gfwebforum.com...
    >
    >
    > I had the same problem when trying to import and work on my V 7 sites with
    > Version 8.
    > That is exactly why I returned version 8 for refund.
    > I thank you for noting this issue and saving me the time.
    > For the record I have heard this suggestion that we shouldn't be using
    > fusion
    > for a web site with 1000 pages before, many times, everyone always says
    > make a
    > databse site.
    > Well, I've tried working with fusion's database and gotten really poor
    > results.
    > I also think it is ridiculous to have a program with the ability to make
    > photo
    > galleries, and then say not to use fusion for 1000 page sites.
    > Oh and by the way, there should be a warning on the netobjects site saying
    > that
    > upgrading may not work with your previous netobjects sites.
    >
    > Love the addition of automatic backups, my most sought after feature
    > request,
    > although I am in such a habit of using export site with second copy
    > running in
    > the background, I can't see blowing $200 for an auto backup, especially
    > when my
    > dozens of other sites will not be usable or editable in V9 it seems.
    >
    > Steve
    > http://www.netobjectsfusionfrustrations.blogspot.com
    >
    >




  9. #9
    logoslinger
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    I am having the same problem in both NOF8 and NOF9. I have been in contact
    with tech support and they assured me that the development team is going to
    take a look at it. It is very frustrating to build sites when you cannot go
    back and forth to page view.
    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    > Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    > version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    > 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    > CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >
    > A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >
    > With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >
    > a pity..
    >
    > marc
    >
    >




  10. #10
    miked
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!


    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    > Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    > version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    > 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    > CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >
    > A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >
    > With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >
    > a pity..
    >
    > marc
    >
    >




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