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  1. #1
    Marc
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    Default Fusion 9 memory problem!

    Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!

    Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!

    A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!

    With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!

    a pity..

    marc



  2. #2
    Helmuth Ritzer
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    Marc,

    not that this whould help you in your current situation but doing a site
    with 1300 in NOF is just not the right thing to do. You should really think
    about replacing some of your pages thru a database driven solution resulting
    in tremendous reduction in size.

    I whould never ever try to manage a site of this size with NOF or any other
    tool. Just think about what you have to do to make sure that everything is
    consistent and sound.

    Instead of trying to get your site up and running in NOF9 think about a
    redesign.

    Nevertheless, I agree with you that NOF9 should not be worse then the former
    version.

    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    > Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    > version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    > 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    > CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >
    > A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >
    > With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >
    > a pity..
    >
    > marc
    >
    >




  3. #3
    logoslinger
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    I am having the same problem in both NOF8 and NOF9. I have been in contact
    with tech support and they assured me that the development team is going to
    take a look at it. It is very frustrating to build sites when you cannot go
    back and forth to page view.
    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    > Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    > version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    > 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    > CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >
    > A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >
    > With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >
    > a pity..
    >
    > marc
    >
    >




  4. #4
    miked
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!


    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    > Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    > version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    > 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    > CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >
    > A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >
    > With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >
    > a pity..
    >
    > marc
    >
    >




  5. #5
    Djsteve007
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!


    On Sun, Nov 13 2005 8:27 am, "Helmuth Ritzer" <helmuth.ritzer@t-online.de> said:
    >Marc,
    >
    >not that this whould help you in your current situation but doing a site
    >with 1300 in NOF is just not the right thing to do. You should really think
    >about replacing some of your pages thru a database driven solution resulting
    >in tremendous reduction in size.
    >
    >I whould never ever try to manage a site of this size with NOF or any other
    >tool. Just think about what you have to do to make sure that everything is
    >consistent and sound.
    >
    >Instead of trying to get your site up and running in NOF9 think about a
    >redesign.
    >
    >Nevertheless, I agree with you that NOF9 should not be worse then the former
    >version.
    >
    >"Marc" <marc@herms.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    >news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >>
    >> Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    >> version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    >> 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    >> CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >>
    >> A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >>
    >> With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >>
    >> a pity..
    >>
    >> marc
    >>
    >>

    >
    >

    I had the same problem when trying to import and work on my V 7 sites with Version 8.
    That is exactly why I returned version 8 for refund.
    I thank you for noting this issue and saving me the time.
    For the record I have heard this suggestion that we shouldn't be using fusion
    for a web site with 1000 pages before, many times, everyone always says make a
    databse site.
    Well, I've tried working with fusion's database and gotten really poor results.
    I also think it is ridiculous to have a program with the ability to make photo
    galleries, and then say not to use fusion for 1000 page sites.
    Oh and by the way, there should be a warning on the netobjects site saying that
    upgrading may not work with your previous netobjects sites.

    Love the addition of automatic backups, my most sought after feature request,
    although I am in such a habit of using export site with second copy running in
    the background, I can't see blowing $200 for an auto backup, especially when my
    dozens of other sites will not be usable or editable in V9 it seems.

    Steve
    http://www.netobjectsfusionfrustrations.blogspot.com



  6. #6
    jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    On 11/13/2005 7:25:49 AM, "Marc" wrote:
    >Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    >Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages),
    > <snips>


    Once you get above oh lets say, 50 pages, it's time to start redo your site with
    MySQL/MS-SQL, PHP/ASP. This is not the fault of NOF, this is the fault of the
    developer. A site with 1300 static pages is a mind numbingly bad idea. Heck, I
    shutter to think what that would be like to load 1300 pages in my fast text
    editor.


  7. #7
    Jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    This has always been somewhat of a problem - Fusion's great strenghts
    include such things as auto nav bar generation and a very good site
    structure view, and yet once your site goes over 100 pages things can become
    unstable.

    If you only have a few pages, you might as well use a tool that gives you
    better control over the html generated, like dreamweaver.

    For a medium sized site where site structure becomes important, Fusion is
    great.

    But then once you get big, you're out of luck as your site is in Fusion's
    proprietary format and you're stuck... you have to either live with Fusion's
    instability, break up your site into lots of little sub-sites which means
    each time you update the look, you have to do this many times thus becoming
    somewhat of a chore, or start from scratch using other tools.

    I wish WSP would focus on making Fusion able to handle large sites with ease
    so Fusion users didn't have to worry about their site getting too big. A
    proprietary format is fine, until you outgrow it.

    Djsteve007> wrote in message news:1_84_209@gfwebforum.com...
    >
    > On Sun, Nov 13 2005 8:27 am, "Helmuth Ritzer" <helmuth.ritzer@t-online.de>
    > said:
    >>Marc,
    >>
    >>not that this whould help you in your current situation but doing a site
    >>with 1300 in NOF is just not the right thing to do. You should really
    >>think
    >>about replacing some of your pages thru a database driven solution
    >>resulting
    >>in tremendous reduction in size.
    >>
    >>I whould never ever try to manage a site of this size with NOF or any
    >>other
    >>tool. Just think about what you have to do to make sure that everything is
    >>consistent and sound.
    >>
    >>Instead of trying to get your site up and running in NOF9 think about a
    >>redesign.
    >>
    >>Nevertheless, I agree with you that NOF9 should not be worse then the
    >>former
    >>version.
    >>
    >>"Marc" <marc@herms.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    >>news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    >>> Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >>>
    >>> Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    >>> version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it
    >>> takes
    >>> 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    >>> CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >>>
    >>> A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >>>
    >>> With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >>>
    >>> a pity..
    >>>
    >>> marc
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    > I had the same problem when trying to import and work on my V 7 sites with
    > Version 8.
    > That is exactly why I returned version 8 for refund.
    > I thank you for noting this issue and saving me the time.
    > For the record I have heard this suggestion that we shouldn't be using
    > fusion
    > for a web site with 1000 pages before, many times, everyone always says
    > make a
    > databse site.
    > Well, I've tried working with fusion's database and gotten really poor
    > results.
    > I also think it is ridiculous to have a program with the ability to make
    > photo
    > galleries, and then say not to use fusion for 1000 page sites.
    > Oh and by the way, there should be a warning on the netobjects site saying
    > that
    > upgrading may not work with your previous netobjects sites.
    >
    > Love the addition of automatic backups, my most sought after feature
    > request,
    > although I am in such a habit of using export site with second copy
    > running in
    > the background, I can't see blowing $200 for an auto backup, especially
    > when my
    > dozens of other sites will not be usable or editable in V9 it seems.
    >
    > Steve
    > http://www.netobjectsfusionfrustrations.blogspot.com
    >
    >




  8. #8
    Kimmo Laurila
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    I have been using NOF since MX and I have read from here already years ago,
    that it is not a good idea to make huge sites only in one nof-file. Already
    years ago i noticed by myself that if site goes over 500 pages, it becomes
    harder to handle. I have had 800 page sites in one file.

    For me this has never been an issue, because I have read it from here and
    because the solution is so simple for me: I just devide big sites in to the
    smaller parts, each part in their own nof-file. So if I have like 1000 page
    site, I divide it to four 250 pages nof-file, of course logigally how their
    content fits together. Now when I have to make changes, I only have to open
    one smaller file and if I have to make changes to the master border, I have
    to open 4 nof-files. Already when I start to think new site, I'm thinking
    how it'll grow so I can think for how many parts I devide it.

    For me this has been very simple to do.

    BW

    Kimmo

    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> kirjoitti
    viestissä:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    > Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    > version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it takes
    > 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    > CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >
    > A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >
    > With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >
    > a pity..
    >
    > marc
    >
    >




  9. #9
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!


    "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >
    > Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    > version 8.



    I remember that the user manual for NOF 4 (yes, I've used it that long)
    recommended not going over 200 pages in a single NOD file due to potential
    file corruption.

    I have followed your posts to this and the NOF8 newsgroup in which you
    describe a 1300 + page site that was imported into ver 8 with disastrous
    results then imported into ver 9 also with disastrous results because the
    original NOD file was probably damaged.

    I've said it before and I'm saying it again. YOUR SITE IS TOO BIG!

    You must split it up into several mini sites if you are going to maintain it
    in NOF. A database driven site is probably your best long-term solution.
    Short term fix. Can you open your original NOD file in your earlier version
    of NOF (MX or 7, I can't remember which one you were using)? If you can
    still open it in that earlier version, I would use that application to split
    the site into at least 10 mini sites. 130 pages is much more manageable
    than 1300. Delete unused assets, optimize, export to templates, etc...
    Then bring one of your small templates into the newer version of NOF and see
    if it behaves.


    --Nancy



  10. #10
    Helmuth Ritzer
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    Steve,

    again, no matter if NOF supports it or not (or any other tool) the concept
    as such manually maintaining a 1300+ page site is in my opinion the problem.

    Think about it again, it's like writing a book in WordPad finding out it
    doesn't scale and then blame MS for not having said so. Not every hammer
    fits to every nail.

    Of course the DB comps in NOF are not the solution either (i agree) you
    really want an kind of CMS for such a tasks. That's what these guys are made
    for.

    Btw, there are at least ten other use cases I whould never ever use NOF for.
    But the one I am using it for is worth the money for me. Simple and I don't
    get frustrated ...

    <Djsteve007> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1_84_209@gfwebforum.com...
    >
    >
    > I had the same problem when trying to import and work on my V 7 sites with
    > Version 8.
    > That is exactly why I returned version 8 for refund.
    > I thank you for noting this issue and saving me the time.
    > For the record I have heard this suggestion that we shouldn't be using
    > fusion
    > for a web site with 1000 pages before, many times, everyone always says
    > make a
    > databse site.
    > Well, I've tried working with fusion's database and gotten really poor
    > results.
    > I also think it is ridiculous to have a program with the ability to make
    > photo
    > galleries, and then say not to use fusion for 1000 page sites.
    > Oh and by the way, there should be a warning on the netobjects site saying
    > that
    > upgrading may not work with your previous netobjects sites.
    >
    > Love the addition of automatic backups, my most sought after feature
    > request,
    > although I am in such a habit of using export site with second copy
    > running in
    > the background, I can't see blowing $200 for an auto backup, especially
    > when my
    > dozens of other sites will not be usable or editable in V9 it seems.
    >
    > Steve
    > http://www.netobjectsfusionfrustrations.blogspot.com
    >
    >




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