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  1. #21
    Chuck «BeyondFusion»
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    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    Actually, I've had sites around 600 pages in Fusion with no issues.

    Before I started doing dynamic sites. Just about any site that big or bigger
    can probably be done more efficiently as a dynamic site with PHP or APS or
    whatever.

    1300 static pages is alot for any web design program. Just from a management
    standpoint.

    50 pages in Fusion as a limit? That's absurd.

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    "Roy Terry" <royterry@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:dldbt3$kg8@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Ok. I'm ready to get flamed :*)
    >
    > I agree with Marc. If I had a site that
    > worked under NOF8 and
    >
    > NOF9 dies with *same site* that is a defect
    > in my book.
    >
    > Any people who say 50 pages is the limit....
    > If that's appropriate then the product should
    > be called Net Toy Fusion.
    >
    > There I said it.
    >
    > Now let's get back to
    > blaming the victim and worshiping
    > our choosen tool.
    >
    > Flame as much as you want but I
    > won't be replying
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Roy
    >
    >
    > "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    > news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >>
    >> Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    >> version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it
    >> takes
    >> 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    >> CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >>
    >> A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >>
    >> With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >>
    >> a pity..
    >>
    >> marc
    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  2. #22
    Ted
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    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    Hi All,

    FWIW, this thread remind me of the old joke, which depending on your
    background I guess would be Irish or Polish. Chap in his Bentley stops
    to ask yokel for directions. "I say my good man what the best way to
    Gdansk / Dublin?" Long ruminative pause then the response, 'We'll if I
    were you, I wouldn't' start from here....."

    There are a number of threads in 7.5 8 and now 9 raising concerns about
    memory usage {abuse} and whilst these have been subtly acknowledged very
    little seems to have been done. Marc's site might not be the way we or
    he would do it with the benefit of hindsight but he's where he is now.
    It is to be hoped that the community spirit that usually prevails here
    will try to offer suggestions as to a way forward without damaging his
    {or his clients?} business.

    As to NOF being suitable for large sites I see no reason why it should
    not be but there are a number of issues with the stacked page technology
    {any idea if that's been improved in 9} which underpins the gallery and
    shop processes, that any site which makes considerable use of that
    facility would be likely to have issues, irrespective of the number of
    pages.

    Regards
    Ted


    Chuck «BeyondFusion» wrote:

    >Actually, I've had sites around 600 pages in Fusion with no issues.
    >
    >Before I started doing dynamic sites. Just about any site that big or bigger
    >can probably be done more efficiently as a dynamic site with PHP or APS or
    >whatever.
    >
    >1300 static pages is alot for any web design program. Just from a management
    >standpoint.
    >
    >50 pages in Fusion as a limit? That's absurd.
    >
    >
    >


  3. #23
    Jeff
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    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    "sean" <diggo@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
    news:8mejn150qkrhqc03kij37r307797lpdts3@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:10:12 +0100, "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>
    >>And it became always bigger. Now it has more than 1300 pages and I can NOT
    >>split it up into several sites. It´s because I need to copy and paste
    >>between pages....
    >>
    >>And I don´t have time to make something db driven....
    >>
    >>My site should work and that´s it!!!!


    > why? NOF was not designed to do this.
    > As a user since Verson 1.0, you have known this all along.
    > It does not KNOW you just need it to work
    > You are the one who has the intelligence, not the program.
    > You are the one who was supposed to avoid this problem occuring.
    > It is YOUR FAULT.


    So I guess what you are saying is essentially: if you EVER anticipate your
    site may grow beyond 50 or 100 pages, DO NOT USE FUSION from the start or
    you will end up REDOING IT FROM SCRATCH?

    Yuk.
    >
    >>Right now, I have ONLY problems with Fusion and it takes me a LOT of my
    >>time!!! :-(((
    >>

    >
    > Probably MORE time than it would take to rebuild the site using a
    > solution such as WebSmith.
    >
    >
    >>Images don´t get uploaded, banners vanish and navbars (text) have wrong
    >>font
    >>size... and many more to come... :-((
    >>
    >>that´s not what I need now... I need to work, NOT trying to fix software
    >>problems!!!
    >>
    >>marc
    >>

    >
    > exactly.
    > But it is YOUR problem, of YOUR making.
    > It is not NOF's problem.
    >
    > be smart and do the following:
    >
    > 1. Return to your most recent perfect backup, split the site into
    > three as per the three languages and then get those three sites into
    > the best shape you can. Upload.
    >
    > 2. You can avoid a lot of the difficulty learning databases by using
    > SoftIdiom's WebSmith 3. It's a WYSIWYG cgi/perl program which will
    > handle what you need.
    >
    > here's a WebSmith travel site:
    >
    > http://www.soulhawaii.com/
    >
    > http://www.soulhawaiitravel.com/
    >
    > OR
    >
    > bite the bullet you should have bitten years ago and migrate to
    >
    > 1. Cold Fusion (the easiest to learn)
    >
    > OR
    >
    > 2. Migrate to an open source PHP/MySQL portal (the cheapest)
    >
    > OR
    >
    > Migrate to an ASP/M$SQL solution like Ektron's great range of
    > solutions.
    >
    >
    > Sooner or later, you MUST do this.
    > Right now, your site looks crappy and out-dated.
    > You need to bring it into the 21st century.....
    > (sorry to seem rude, but someone needs to be frank with you)
    >
    > sean
    >
    >




  4. #24
    Marc
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    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    > Actually, I've had sites around 600 pages in Fusion with no issues.

    I had this site with 1300 pages with Fusion 7, NO problem, with 7.5, NO
    problem, with MX, NO problem, with 8.0, NO problem!!!!

    C`mon!!!!! Just 9 gives me problems??????

    Do NOT tell me the site is toooo big... I used ALL Fusion versions with this
    site withOUT any errors!!!!!
    (besides the last one or two updates in v.8).

    So.. that can NOT be the point!!!

    And for ME, 1300 pages with Fusion is NOT a lot of work, because the site
    has about 400+ pages in each version, I just copy and paste the language
    versions. So, it´s just 400 pages I have to create and I created them since
    Fusion 5.0 !!!

    marc


    >
    > Before I started doing dynamic sites. Just about any site that big or
    > bigger can probably be done more efficiently as a dynamic site with PHP or
    > APS or whatever.
    >
    > 1300 static pages is alot for any web design program. Just from a
    > management standpoint.
    >
    > 50 pages in Fusion as a limit? That's absurd.
    >
    > --
    > Chuck Joslin - Team NetObjects
    > BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    > www.beyondfusion.com
    >
    > Fusion Wish List - www.beyondfusion.com/wish
    > Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com
    > "Roy Terry" <royterry@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:dldbt3$kg8@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Ok. I'm ready to get flamed :*)
    >>
    >> I agree with Marc. If I had a site that
    >> worked under NOF8 and
    >>
    >> NOF9 dies with *same site* that is a defect
    >> in my book.
    >>
    >> Any people who say 50 pages is the limit....
    >> If that's appropriate then the product should
    >> be called Net Toy Fusion.
    >>
    >> There I said it.
    >>
    >> Now let's get back to
    >> blaming the victim and worshiping
    >> our choosen tool.
    >>
    >> Flame as much as you want but I
    >> won't be replying
    >>
    >> Cheers,
    >> Roy
    >>
    >>
    >> "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    >> news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    >>> Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >>>
    >>> Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    >>> version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it
    >>> takes
    >>> 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
    >>> CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >>>
    >>> A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >>>
    >>> With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >>>
    >>> a pity..
    >>>
    >>> marc
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  5. #25
    Marc
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    >>>>Marc's site might not be the way we or
    > he would do it with the benefit of hindsight but he's where he is now. It
    > is to be hoped that the community spirit that usually prevails here will
    > try to offer suggestions as to a way forward without damaging his {or his
    > clients?} business.

    <<<

    FINALLY!!! Thanks Ted. If you wouldn´t have said that,... I was about to say
    somethings similar...
    :-))

    THANKS!!


    >
    > As to NOF being suitable for large sites I see no reason why it should not
    > be but there are a number of issues with the stacked page technology {any
    > idea if that's been improved in 9} which underpins the gallery and shop
    > processes, that any site which makes considerable use of that facility
    > would be likely to have issues, irrespective of the number of pages.
    >
    > Regards
    > Ted
    >
    >
    > Chuck «BeyondFusion» wrote:
    >
    >>Actually, I've had sites around 600 pages in Fusion with no issues.
    >>
    >>Before I started doing dynamic sites. Just about any site that big or
    >>bigger can probably be done more efficiently as a dynamic site with PHP or
    >>APS or whatever.
    >>
    >>1300 static pages is alot for any web design program. Just from a
    >>management standpoint.
    >>
    >>50 pages in Fusion as a limit? That's absurd.
    >>
    >>




  6. #26
    Marc
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    > Then create a new site for each language.
    >
    > That whould be my approach.



    trotzdem danke für die Hilfe!! :-))

    marc



  7. #27
    Marc
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    > Any people who say 50 pages is the limit....
    > If that's appropriate then the product should
    > be called Net Toy Fusion.



    AGREEEEEE!!! :-)))

    thanks Roy!!!

    :-)

    marc



  8. #28
    Marc
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    > So I guess what you are saying is essentially: if you EVER anticipate your
    > site may grow beyond 50 or 100 pages, DO NOT USE FUSION from the start or
    > you will end up REDOING IT FROM SCRATCH?
    >


    YES, Sean wants us to switch from Fusion to Websmith..... )

    Why should someone buy Fusion if he knows that´s only up to 100 pages???

    Didn´t they say it´s a PROFESSIONAL tool??? Well.. a professional website
    could grow over 100 pages... NOT?!! And then we all have to change the
    software??

    WOW.. good strategy....

    :-))

    marc



  9. #29
    Marc
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    > I am just curious, what is the site address... I would like to see a
    > 1300 page NOF site.


    www.sardiniatravel.net

    :-)))

    in 3 languages, choose english from the link in the right up corner..

    marc


    >
    >
    > "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
    > news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
    >>
    >> Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it with
    >> version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it
    >> takes 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on
    >> the CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
    >>
    >> A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
    >>
    >> With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
    >>
    >> a pity..
    >>
    >> marc
    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  10. #30
    Marc
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion 9 memory problem!

    > Looking at the site it whould be possible at least to split up the
    > different language versions into diffrerent sites, which whould result in
    > a 66% size reduction.
    >
    > Safe the site as a template selecting only the specific language pages for
    > each languages.
    >
    > Then create a new site for each language.
    >
    > That whould be my approach.


    Yes, Helmut, I know.. I could do this, BUT.. I am used to copy & paste
    between pages and this wouldn´t be possible with different nod files and I
    also coulnd´t use internal and "intelligente" links!!!

    AND.. I can do this only OUT of season!! The season is about to start... I
    would have loved to have Fusion 9 in August!! ))

    Thanks anyway.

    marc



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