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Re: resizing height of master border background
OK, I give up. It appears that I'm trying to do something that WSP doesn't
intend for NOF Master Borders to do. For this project I am giving up. I
would still like to know how to resolve this for the future however. I'm
reverting to no left side master border. I will simply update every page's
navigation separately when needed.
Thanks for listening and trying things with me.
Sheila
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Sheila, I'm still not certain how you have constructed your pages but I'm pretty sure that what you want can be done without too much trouble. It looks like you're placing one background image into the masterborder on the left and another into the Layout Area? What if you change to using one background image for the whole page, like this...
so that it includes the left navigation color, the white page area, and the right margin shadow. Drop your navbar
into the appropriate in the left masterborder, and then place this image in the masterborder at the bottom of the page...
Laurence
Sheila Hoffman wrote:
OK, I've posted a couple of examples: www.hoffmangraphics.com/ATOC/html/test.html This shows how when the body copy pushes the layout area down the left sidebar, master border, doesn't know to expand down and leaves an ugly gap. www.hoffmangraphics.com/ATOC/html/short.html This shows how if I adjust the left sidebar, master boarder to fit the need of the body on the site map page, then the body of this page doesn't adjust and leaves the ugly gap. And yes I could have different master borders, but I'd have to have so many that I may as well not have them. It would still require me to change the navigation on each master border. I may as well not have the master border. That DOES solve the gap/resizing issue. It just means I'm manually making any needed navigation adjustments (and I'm NOT willing to do navigation in a 3rd party component as my solution, right now... maybe at some point). It just seems to me that this is a flaw in how the left master border works. I can't figure out ANY way that it would EVER work to have a left master border unless the overall page size stays the same on every page. How do any of you use a left master border? Thanks, Sheila
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Michael Evangelista
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Sheila -
I have been watching this thread with interest, because, sure enough,
I struggled with this exact same idea a while back, and came to no resolution
(other than this is yet another limitation of NOF with my style of graphics,
similar to that you explain for this project of yours)
>>As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.
I would have to agree....
And, I know it doesnt help you here, but this would be the perfect instance of a good use for
some type of dynamic include... write the whole menu, etc as an include on every page,
in the left column 'area' , and forget the masterborder altogether.
Then, like masterborders but with much more control,
anything you change in that included file will change on all pages, and
you could let the length of the page fall where it wants to below that.
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"Sheila Hoffman" <Sheila@hoffmanNOSPAMgraphics.com> wrote in message news:A921.1137972261.644@gfwebforum.com...
> Laurence:
>
> I appreciate your (and Ali's) attempts at helping me. You are totally correct that I am using 2 background images, one in the
> master border and one in the body. If I do what you suggest with the one image that includes everything, it'll work great
> visually and it is my work-around. HOWEVER, unless I'm completely missing something, I don't see how I can then make a left
> masterborder with that background covering both the master border AND the rest.
>
> AH... I bet you mean the site background not the page background. If I were to make it the site background I could indeed make
> a master border there.... HOWEVER, then the problem is that there's no way to do a site that centers that way with the side
> color expanding with the width of the browser window. That approach will work for a flush left site.
>
> As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.
>
> Sheila
>
>
>
>
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Hi
I don't advocate using the whole background. I suggest slicing differently,
making sure the left border has its background graphic all the way down, and
making sure that the bottom elements are sliced horizontally, so that
pulling up the bottom masterborder makes everything above it pull up.
The end graphics of almost all my sites are in the masterborder, because it
means everything snaps to the right level above it. You might have to drag
the left masterborder down to meet it, but you wouldn't have any grey gaps
on the white or in the layout.
Hope it helps.
Ali
"Sheila Hoffman" <Sheila@hoffmanNOSPAMgraphics.com> wrote in message
news:A921.1137972261.644@gfwebforum.com...
> Laurence:
>
> I appreciate your (and Ali's) attempts at helping me. You are totally
> correct that I am using 2 background images, one in the master border and
> one in the body. If I do what you suggest with the one image that
> includes everything, it'll work great visually and it is my work-around.
> HOWEVER, unless I'm completely missing something, I don't see how I can
> then make a left masterborder with that background covering both the
> master border AND the rest.
>
> AH... I bet you mean the site background not the page background. If I
> were to make it the site background I could indeed make a master border
> there.... HOWEVER, then the problem is that there's no way to do a site
> that centers that way with the side color expanding with the width of the
> browser window. That approach will work for a flush left site.
>
> As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.
>
> Sheila
>
>
>
>
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Laurence:
I appreciate your (and Ali's) attempts at helping me. You are totally
correct that I am using 2 background images, one in the master border and
one in the body. If I do what you suggest with the one image that includes
everything, it'll work great visually and it is my work-around. HOWEVER,
unless I'm completely missing something, I don't see how I can then make a
left masterborder with that background covering both the master border AND
the rest.
AH... I bet you mean the site background not the page background. If I were
to make it the site background I could indeed make a master border there....
HOWEVER, then the problem is that there's no way to do a site that centers
that way with the side color expanding with the width of the browser window.
That approach will work for a flush left site.
As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.
Sheila
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Not Olivier, but I always bring that up when people are surprised at the
spelling. Olivier was ok with Larry... but I'm definitly not.
Laurence
Ali Lister wrote:
>Hey Laurence,
>
>The spelling - I know. But will people spell Laurence this way? Absolutely
>not. They seem allergic to it. And the poor lad is autistic so he cannot
>understand why people spell his name the wrong way.
>
>He was named for Laurence Olivier! What about you?!
>
>Ali
>"LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
>news:dr108m$50u7@news01.netobjects.com...
>> Ali Lister wrote:
>>
>>> PS Laurence, my elder son is called Laurence!
>>
>> Excellant spelling! ;-)
>>
>> Laurence
>
>
>
>
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Yeah! Looks like the bottom masterborder is the missing link, Sheila. That is what is in common with Laurence's and my different solutions. Just pull up the bottom like a blind!
Fingers crossed!
Ali
PS Laurence, my elder son is called Laurence!
"LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message news:dr0vmb$50u3@news01.netobjects.com...
Sheila, I'm still not certain how you have constructed your pages but I'm pretty sure that what you want can be done without too much trouble. It looks like you're placing one background image into the masterborder on the left and another into the Layout Area? What if you change to using one background image for the whole page, like this...
so that it includes the left navigation color, the white page area, and the right margin shadow. Drop your navbar
into the appropriate in the left masterborder, and then place this image in the masterborder at the bottom of the page...
Laurence
Sheila Hoffman wrote:
OK, I've posted a couple of examples:
www.hoffmangraphics.com/ATOC/html/test.html
This shows how when the body copy pushes the layout area down the left
sidebar, master border, doesn't know to expand down and leaves an ugly gap.
www.hoffmangraphics.com/ATOC/html/short.html
This shows how if I adjust the left sidebar, master boarder to fit the need
of the body on the site map page, then the body of this page doesn't adjust
and leaves the ugly gap.
And yes I could have different master borders, but I'd have to have so many
that I may as well not have them. It would still require me to change the
navigation on each master border. I may as well not have the master border.
That DOES solve the gap/resizing issue. It just means I'm manually making
any needed navigation adjustments (and I'm NOT willing to do navigation in
a 3rd party component as my solution, right now... maybe at some point). It
just seems to me that this is a flaw in how the left master border works. I
can't figure out ANY way that it would EVER work to have a left master
border unless the overall page size stays the same on every page. How do any
of you use a left master border?
Thanks,
Sheila
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Ali Lister wrote:
>
> PS Laurence, my elder son is called Laurence!
Excellant spelling! ;-)
Laurence
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Hey Laurence,
The spelling - I know. But will people spell Laurence this way? Absolutely
not. They seem allergic to it. And the poor lad is autistic so he cannot
understand why people spell his name the wrong way.
He was named for Laurence Olivier! What about you?!
Ali
"LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
news:dr108m$50u7@news01.netobjects.com...
> Ali Lister wrote:
>
>> PS Laurence, my elder son is called Laurence!
>
> Excellant spelling! ;-)
>
> Laurence
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Re: resizing height of master border background
Hi Sheila,
Are you saying you never want to have to pull the navigation down to the
right size? Would you do it if that was all that was entailed - ie it would
just make a nice nav bar to the correct size? I have a feeling I do this
quite often, but it is always different trying to dissect the process. I
love this kind of thing because you find out how people work.
Anyway, what I seem to do differently is that I don't put design elements
like backgrounds to the button in the background of a left nav bar - by that
I mean if there are any I make them in the button. It saves me having a
breakdown about alignment. The new end caps is good for above the first
button - it can take care of anything fancy there. In this case I would
normally have a red line end cap above, the nav bar of buttons made to
incorporate the background red underline design, and then the bottom end cap
a plain bit of the background. Probably the key is finding all the
backgrounds to fill in. I can never get to it by clicking - only ever using
the table properties and cell properties. At first I had a grey gap, too,
until I found a <p> with nothing in it, so I stuck more background in and it
seemed to be ok. Anyway, then I would put the bottom end cap - ie the end of
the table in the *Bottom Masterborder* - not the left masterborder. Same for
the bottom bit of the Layout area. In the Bottom Masterborder, not on the
layout page.
I hope this is making sense. If the finishing design elements are in the
bottom masterborder, then you just pull up the bottom masterborder to bring
every page to its correct height.
I attach the button as I would slice it, to save having to align to the
background graphic. I also attach the end caps. These are roughly cut and
not for real, if you know what I mean. Just thought it might be interesting.
I hope I have understood and managed to take you a bit nearer. There is a
faint hope, because I suspect that I use Fusion in some weird and wonderful
ways. They get laughed at, but provide very easy web design and updating for
a slobs like me.
Good luck!
Ali
PS hope these are the right graphics. I can hardly see them in Fireworks!
"Sheila Hoffman" <Sheila@hoffmanNOSPAMgraphics.com> wrote in message
news:A921.1137966480.640@gfwebforum.com...
> OK, I give up. It appears that I'm trying to do something that WSP doesn't
> intend for NOF Master Borders to do. For this project I am giving up. I
> would still like to know how to resolve this for the future however. I'm
> reverting to no left side master border. I will simply update every page's
> navigation separately when needed.
>
> Thanks for listening and trying things with me.
> Sheila
>
>
>
>
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