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  1. #11
    Sheila Hoffman
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    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    OK, I give up. It appears that I'm trying to do something that WSP doesn't
    intend for NOF Master Borders to do. For this project I am giving up. I
    would still like to know how to resolve this for the future however. I'm
    reverting to no left side master border. I will simply update every page's
    navigation separately when needed.

    Thanks for listening and trying things with me.
    Sheila





  2. #12
    LBA
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    Sheila, I'm still not certain how you have constructed your pages but I'm pretty sure that what you want can be done without too much trouble.  It looks like you're placing one background image into the masterborder on the left and another into the Layout Area?  What if you change to using one background image for the whole page, like this...

    so that it includes the left navigation color, the white page area, and the right margin shadow.  Drop your navbar
    into the appropriate in the left masterborder, and then place this image in the masterborder at the bottom of the page...


    Laurence

    Sheila Hoffman wrote:

    OK, I've posted a couple of examples: www.hoffmangraphics.com/ATOC/html/test.html This shows how when the body copy pushes the layout area down the left sidebar, master border, doesn't know to expand down and leaves an ugly gap. www.hoffmangraphics.com/ATOC/html/short.html This shows how if I adjust the left sidebar, master boarder to fit the need of the body on the site map page, then the body of this page doesn't adjust and leaves the ugly gap. And yes I could have different master borders, but I'd have to have so many that I may as well not have them. It would still require me to change the navigation on each master border. I may as well not have the master border. That DOES solve the gap/resizing issue. It just means I'm manually making any needed navigation adjustments (and I'm NOT willing to do navigation in a 3rd party component as my solution, right now... maybe at some point). It just seems to me that this is a flaw in how the left master border works. I can't figure out ANY way that it would EVER work to have a left master border unless the overall page size stays the same on every page. How do any of you use a left master border? Thanks, Sheila


  3. #13
    Michael Evangelista
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    Sheila -

    I have been watching this thread with interest, because, sure enough,
    I struggled with this exact same idea a while back, and came to no resolution
    (other than this is yet another limitation of NOF with my style of graphics,
    similar to that you explain for this project of yours)

    >>As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.


    I would have to agree....

    And, I know it doesnt help you here, but this would be the perfect instance of a good use for
    some type of dynamic include... write the whole menu, etc as an include on every page,
    in the left column 'area' , and forget the masterborder altogether.

    Then, like masterborders but with much more control,
    anything you change in that included file will change on all pages, and
    you could let the length of the page fall where it wants to below that.


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    "Sheila Hoffman" <Sheila@hoffmanNOSPAMgraphics.com> wrote in message news:A921.1137972261.644@gfwebforum.com...
    > Laurence:
    >
    > I appreciate your (and Ali's) attempts at helping me. You are totally correct that I am using 2 background images, one in the
    > master border and one in the body. If I do what you suggest with the one image that includes everything, it'll work great
    > visually and it is my work-around. HOWEVER, unless I'm completely missing something, I don't see how I can then make a left
    > masterborder with that background covering both the master border AND the rest.
    >
    > AH... I bet you mean the site background not the page background. If I were to make it the site background I could indeed make
    > a master border there.... HOWEVER, then the problem is that there's no way to do a site that centers that way with the side
    > color expanding with the width of the browser window. That approach will work for a flush left site.
    >
    > As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.
    >
    > Sheila
    >
    >
    >
    >






  4. #14
    Ali Lister
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    Hi

    I don't advocate using the whole background. I suggest slicing differently,
    making sure the left border has its background graphic all the way down, and
    making sure that the bottom elements are sliced horizontally, so that
    pulling up the bottom masterborder makes everything above it pull up.

    The end graphics of almost all my sites are in the masterborder, because it
    means everything snaps to the right level above it. You might have to drag
    the left masterborder down to meet it, but you wouldn't have any grey gaps
    on the white or in the layout.

    Hope it helps.

    Ali

    "Sheila Hoffman" <Sheila@hoffmanNOSPAMgraphics.com> wrote in message
    news:A921.1137972261.644@gfwebforum.com...
    > Laurence:
    >
    > I appreciate your (and Ali's) attempts at helping me. You are totally
    > correct that I am using 2 background images, one in the master border and
    > one in the body. If I do what you suggest with the one image that
    > includes everything, it'll work great visually and it is my work-around.
    > HOWEVER, unless I'm completely missing something, I don't see how I can
    > then make a left masterborder with that background covering both the
    > master border AND the rest.
    >
    > AH... I bet you mean the site background not the page background. If I
    > were to make it the site background I could indeed make a master border
    > there.... HOWEVER, then the problem is that there's no way to do a site
    > that centers that way with the side color expanding with the width of the
    > browser window. That approach will work for a flush left site.
    >
    > As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.
    >
    > Sheila
    >
    >
    >
    >




  5. #15
    Sheila Hoffman
    Guest

    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Laurence:

    I appreciate your (and Ali's) attempts at helping me. You are totally
    correct that I am using 2 background images, one in the master border and
    one in the body. If I do what you suggest with the one image that includes
    everything, it'll work great visually and it is my work-around. HOWEVER,
    unless I'm completely missing something, I don't see how I can then make a
    left masterborder with that background covering both the master border AND
    the rest.

    AH... I bet you mean the site background not the page background. If I were
    to make it the site background I could indeed make a master border there....
    HOWEVER, then the problem is that there's no way to do a site that centers
    that way with the side color expanding with the width of the browser window.
    That approach will work for a flush left site.

    As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.

    Sheila





  6. #16
    LBA
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    Not Olivier, but I always bring that up when people are surprised at the
    spelling. Olivier was ok with Larry... but I'm definitly not.

    Laurence

    Ali Lister wrote:

    >Hey Laurence,
    >
    >The spelling - I know. But will people spell Laurence this way? Absolutely
    >not. They seem allergic to it. And the poor lad is autistic so he cannot
    >understand why people spell his name the wrong way.
    >
    >He was named for Laurence Olivier! What about you?!
    >
    >Ali
    >"LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    >news:dr108m$50u7@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Ali Lister wrote:
    >>
    >>> PS Laurence, my elder son is called Laurence!

    >>
    >> Excellant spelling! ;-)
    >>
    >> Laurence

    >
    >
    >
    >


  7. #17
    Ali Lister
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    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Yeah! Looks like the bottom masterborder is the missing link, Sheila. That is what is in common with Laurence's and my different solutions. Just pull up the bottom like a blind!

    Fingers crossed!

    Ali

    PS Laurence, my elder son is called Laurence!
    "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message news:dr0vmb$50u3@news01.netobjects.com...
    Sheila, I'm still not certain how you have constructed your pages but I'm pretty sure that what you want can be done without too much trouble. It looks like you're placing one background image into the masterborder on the left and another into the Layout Area? What if you change to using one background image for the whole page, like this...

    so that it includes the left navigation color, the white page area, and the right margin shadow. Drop your navbar
    into the appropriate in the left masterborder, and then place this image in the masterborder at the bottom of the page...


    Laurence

    Sheila Hoffman wrote:
    OK, I've posted a couple of examples:

    www.hoffmangraphics.com/ATOC/html/test.html
    This shows how when the body copy pushes the layout area down the left
    sidebar, master border, doesn't know to expand down and leaves an ugly gap.

    www.hoffmangraphics.com/ATOC/html/short.html
    This shows how if I adjust the left sidebar, master boarder to fit the need
    of the body on the site map page, then the body of this page doesn't adjust
    and leaves the ugly gap.

    And yes I could have different master borders, but I'd have to have so many
    that I may as well not have them. It would still require me to change the
    navigation on each master border. I may as well not have the master border.
    That DOES solve the gap/resizing issue. It just means I'm manually making
    any needed navigation adjustments (and I'm NOT willing to do navigation in
    a 3rd party component as my solution, right now... maybe at some point). It
    just seems to me that this is a flaw in how the left master border works. I
    can't figure out ANY way that it would EVER work to have a left master
    border unless the overall page size stays the same on every page. How do any
    of you use a left master border?

    Thanks,
    Sheila






  8. #18
    LBA
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    Ali Lister wrote:

    >
    > PS Laurence, my elder son is called Laurence!


    Excellant spelling! ;-)

    Laurence

  9. #19
    Ali Lister
    Guest

    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Hey Laurence,

    The spelling - I know. But will people spell Laurence this way? Absolutely
    not. They seem allergic to it. And the poor lad is autistic so he cannot
    understand why people spell his name the wrong way.

    He was named for Laurence Olivier! What about you?!

    Ali
    "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    news:dr108m$50u7@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Ali Lister wrote:
    >
    >> PS Laurence, my elder son is called Laurence!

    >
    > Excellant spelling! ;-)
    >
    > Laurence




  10. #20
    Ali Lister
    Guest

    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Hi Sheila,

    Are you saying you never want to have to pull the navigation down to the
    right size? Would you do it if that was all that was entailed - ie it would
    just make a nice nav bar to the correct size? I have a feeling I do this
    quite often, but it is always different trying to dissect the process. I
    love this kind of thing because you find out how people work.

    Anyway, what I seem to do differently is that I don't put design elements
    like backgrounds to the button in the background of a left nav bar - by that
    I mean if there are any I make them in the button. It saves me having a
    breakdown about alignment. The new end caps is good for above the first
    button - it can take care of anything fancy there. In this case I would
    normally have a red line end cap above, the nav bar of buttons made to
    incorporate the background red underline design, and then the bottom end cap
    a plain bit of the background. Probably the key is finding all the
    backgrounds to fill in. I can never get to it by clicking - only ever using
    the table properties and cell properties. At first I had a grey gap, too,
    until I found a <p> with nothing in it, so I stuck more background in and it
    seemed to be ok. Anyway, then I would put the bottom end cap - ie the end of
    the table in the *Bottom Masterborder* - not the left masterborder. Same for
    the bottom bit of the Layout area. In the Bottom Masterborder, not on the
    layout page.

    I hope this is making sense. If the finishing design elements are in the
    bottom masterborder, then you just pull up the bottom masterborder to bring
    every page to its correct height.

    I attach the button as I would slice it, to save having to align to the
    background graphic. I also attach the end caps. These are roughly cut and
    not for real, if you know what I mean. Just thought it might be interesting.

    I hope I have understood and managed to take you a bit nearer. There is a
    faint hope, because I suspect that I use Fusion in some weird and wonderful
    ways. They get laughed at, but provide very easy web design and updating for
    a slobs like me.



    Good luck!

    Ali

    PS hope these are the right graphics. I can hardly see them in Fireworks!



    "Sheila Hoffman" <Sheila@hoffmanNOSPAMgraphics.com> wrote in message
    news:A921.1137966480.640@gfwebforum.com...
    > OK, I give up. It appears that I'm trying to do something that WSP doesn't
    > intend for NOF Master Borders to do. For this project I am giving up. I
    > would still like to know how to resolve this for the future however. I'm
    > reverting to no left side master border. I will simply update every page's
    > navigation separately when needed.
    >
    > Thanks for listening and trying things with me.
    > Sheila
    >
    >
    >
    >











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