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  1. #21
    LBA
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    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Yes, the site background. You hadn't mentioned the issued of centering
    so I didn't take that into account, but yes, that is precisely the
    problem... centering the background this way becomes a problem. I've
    written about this several timesin the newsgroups and played around with
    several solutions, but none are perfect. What you want to do can
    definitely be done, but you have to make some choices between several
    different approaches. One solution works nicely but will sacrifice the
    masterboarder for your left navigation. We get so accustomed to using
    that simple method for placing navigation on each page that we forget
    that it ain't really that hard to manually paste a navbar on the pages
    if need be. So if you're ok with that, make one large layout region
    that is your page. Give that layout region the background similar to
    the one I sent you... the complete background with the left shadowed
    edge and the navigation background and the white page and the right
    shadowed edge. Place your navbar where it belongs on the page, and
    repeat this onto every page of the site. And place the footer graphic
    that I sent you in the masterborder at the bottom. Center the site and
    you're done. Besides forfeiting the left-side masterboarder, which is
    no big deal, the other thing you deal with in this solution is that when
    each page is a big layout region, you need to get used to the fact that
    you can no longer marquee select several items to move them because
    you'll find that you've inadvertantly selected the layout area, as
    well. You'll quickly see what I mean once you set this up. You'll need
    to click select each item individually. It's a pain, but you'll get
    used to it. I was excited when I saw that NOF9 allowed you to lock page
    elements... I thought that would be the answer this problem, but alas
    alack, when you lock the layout region you lock all of it's contents, as
    well. That makes sense, but from the point of view of this particular
    problem, I wish you had the option to lock a layout region but NOT it's
    contents.

    If you hate that option, there are other solutions, too, but each has
    it's own quirks. Before going into them, I'll wait and see if this one
    works for you.

    Laurence

    Sheila Hoffman wrote:

    >Laurence:
    >
    >I appreciate your (and Ali's) attempts at helping me. You are totally
    >correct that I am using 2 background images, one in the master border and
    >one in the body. If I do what you suggest with the one image that includes
    >everything, it'll work great visually and it is my work-around. HOWEVER,
    >unless I'm completely missing something, I don't see how I can then make a
    >left masterborder with that background covering both the master border AND
    >the rest.
    >
    >AH... I bet you mean the site background not the page background. If I were
    >to make it the site background I could indeed make a master border there....
    >HOWEVER, then the problem is that there's no way to do a site that centers
    >that way with the side color expanding with the width of the browser window.
    >That approach will work for a flush left site.
    >
    >As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.
    >
    >Sheila
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


  2. #22
    Sheila Hoffman
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    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Thanks Laurence. Yes, I already was aware of all you wrote. That's exactly
    how I've done this same thing in the past. I've always been too busy to try
    to figure out if there's a better way. I did a 200 page site last year where
    everytime I had to make a navigation change I had to redo the copy/paste
    process on all 200 pages. That's why the master border is important.

    And Michael (and others) who've mentioned includes and/or other external
    navigation solutions definitely offer a viable alternative. It's simply that
    I thought we SHOULD be able to do this in NOF. And I'm now pretty confident
    that we can NOT!

    Thanks all of you.
    Sheila





  3. #23
    LBA
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    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Yes, incredible as it may seem, there's no direct and easy way to do
    this in NOF... but there are many workarounds. Another one is to simply
    add a couple of lines of HTML code at the beginning of the page to
    create a one-cell table with your defined background... and then the
    entire NOF site sits inside that table... and then at the end of the
    page, you close the table. It takes about 3 lines of code, it's
    extremely easy and it works quite well.

    Laurence


    Sheila Hoffman wrote:

    >Thanks Laurence. Yes, I already was aware of all you wrote. That's exactly
    >how I've done this same thing in the past. I've always been too busy to try
    >to figure out if there's a better way. I did a 200 page site last year where
    >everytime I had to make a navigation change I had to redo the copy/paste
    >process on all 200 pages. That's why the master border is important.
    >
    >And Michael (and others) who've mentioned includes and/or other external
    >navigation solutions definitely offer a viable alternative. It's simply that
    >I thought we SHOULD be able to do this in NOF. And I'm now pretty confident
    >that we can NOT!
    >
    >Thanks all of you.
    >Sheila
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


  4. #24
    Ted
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    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Hi,

    The options to do this, based on the columns themselves, are either a
    CSS based faux column technique, or the application of javascript within
    onload(). Both would require tinkering with the code to ensure that the
    styles or function was applied to the appropriate section of the page.
    One issue with applying these techniques to a NOF site may be the table
    structure but both these techniques {or similar, I wrote a js solution
    for this about 4 years ago} work for me in the wild.

    Regards
    Ted

    Links
    http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
    http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/



    Sheila Hoffman wrote:
    > Chris tried to help me with this same issue a year ago. That time it was a
    > tiny site and I just gave up and didn't use a master border. I don't know if
    > I'm missing something basic here or if this just can't be done.
    >
    > I need to use a background image in a layout region. If the page is long and
    > I manually stretch the background to fit the correct depth to match the body
    > on the right then ALL pages will have the left master border be that tall. I
    > want it to be short if the body is short but expand when it needs to be
    > tall. The reason for the master border is that it contains the navigation. I
    > thought about trying a table but then I'm sure the flyouts of the navigation
    > would muck that up big time. I know I can get rid of the master border and
    > copy/paste the navigation in place. Then I'd be able to custom size each
    > page. I've done it this way many times. But this time it's for a client I
    > KNOW is going to keep changing his site structure. It's going to be a PAIN
    > to have to manually change EVERY CUSTOM navgiation when there's no master
    > border in place.
    >
    > I hope this is clear. And that I'm not being stupid. Is there a solution for
    > this?
    > Thanks!
    > Sheila
    >
    > www.HoffmanGraphics.com
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


  5. #25
    Ali Lister
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    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    Okay. I admit defeat. Want to know the interesting thing? I never noticed I
    was having to resize anything, probably because at the end of every job -
    before finally publishing the whole thing - I always go to every page and
    pull up the bottoms and pull in the sides to the same measurement so I don't
    get the tiny misalignment-between-pages thing. I am so amazed at this
    automatic behaviour of mine.

    Anyway, what I was wondering was whether a Sitestyle can be altered - I mean
    its code page, not on the page itself. So that particular style can become
    the basis for any left column layout we need to work in this way. I would
    always, always, always find a way to work with a Sitestyle because it is
    just so convenient to have automatic navigation. This feature is why I am
    still with Fusion, and feel I could never leave.

    Just a thought. Wish I had more time to play.

    Ali

    PS Sheila - love the colours in this site.

    "Ted" <traveller_ted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:dr1viq$5692@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Hi,
    >
    > The options to do this, based on the columns themselves, are either a CSS
    > based faux column technique, or the application of javascript within
    > onload(). Both would require tinkering with the code to ensure that the
    > styles or function was applied to the appropriate section of the page. One
    > issue with applying these techniques to a NOF site may be the table
    > structure but both these techniques {or similar, I wrote a js solution for
    > this about 4 years ago} work for me in the wild.
    >
    > Regards
    > Ted
    >
    > Links
    > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
    > http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/
    >
    >
    >
    > Sheila Hoffman wrote:
    >> Chris tried to help me with this same issue a year ago. That time it was
    >> a tiny site and I just gave up and didn't use a master border. I don't
    >> know if I'm missing something basic here or if this just can't be done.
    >>
    >> I need to use a background image in a layout region. If the page is long
    >> and I manually stretch the background to fit the correct depth to match
    >> the body on the right then ALL pages will have the left master border be
    >> that tall. I want it to be short if the body is short but expand when it
    >> needs to be tall. The reason for the master border is that it contains
    >> the navigation. I thought about trying a table but then I'm sure the
    >> flyouts of the navigation would muck that up big time. I know I can get
    >> rid of the master border and copy/paste the navigation in place. Then I'd
    >> be able to custom size each page. I've done it this way many times. But
    >> this time it's for a client I KNOW is going to keep changing his site
    >> structure. It's going to be a PAIN to have to manually change EVERY
    >> CUSTOM navgiation when there's no master border in place.
    >>
    >> I hope this is clear. And that I'm not being stupid. Is there a solution
    >> for this?
    >> Thanks!
    >> Sheila
    >>
    >> www.HoffmanGraphics.com
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>




  6. #26
    Ali Lister
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    Default Re: resizing height of master border background

    And by end graphics, I mean end of page, not endcaps.

    Confused? You will be!

    A
    "Ali Lister" <ali> wrote in message
    news:dr14q4$5281@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Hi
    >
    > I don't advocate using the whole background. I suggest slicing
    > differently, making sure the left border has its background graphic all
    > the way down, and making sure that the bottom elements are sliced
    > horizontally, so that pulling up the bottom masterborder makes everything
    > above it pull up.
    >
    > The end graphics of almost all my sites are in the masterborder, because
    > it means everything snaps to the right level above it. You might have to
    > drag the left masterborder down to meet it, but you wouldn't have any grey
    > gaps on the white or in the layout.
    >
    > Hope it helps.
    >
    > Ali
    >
    > "Sheila Hoffman" <Sheila@hoffmanNOSPAMgraphics.com> wrote in message
    > news:A921.1137972261.644@gfwebforum.com...
    >> Laurence:
    >>
    >> I appreciate your (and Ali's) attempts at helping me. You are totally
    >> correct that I am using 2 background images, one in the master border and
    >> one in the body. If I do what you suggest with the one image that
    >> includes everything, it'll work great visually and it is my work-around.
    >> HOWEVER, unless I'm completely missing something, I don't see how I can
    >> then make a left masterborder with that background covering both the
    >> master border AND the rest.
    >>
    >> AH... I bet you mean the site background not the page background. If I
    >> were to make it the site background I could indeed make a master border
    >> there.... HOWEVER, then the problem is that there's no way to do a site
    >> that centers that way with the side color expanding with the width of the
    >> browser window. That approach will work for a flush left site.
    >>
    >> As far as I can tell there is NO solution for what I'm trying to do.
    >>
    >> Sheila
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >




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