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  1. #1
    Ritch
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    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    The sad part here is that so many of the questions raised over the past
    years should have been in incorporated in the NOF User Manual and/or in a
    well documented FAQ.

    I bet that an anlysis of the past few years posts would show that a well
    structured FAQ would have drastically reduced the incidence of repeat
    queries.

    However, no manual or FAQ will ever eliminate the need for these newsgroups
    because we often can't see the wood for the trees. That is where this fine
    body of NOFers come to the fore.

    I know that I have learnt so much just reading the posts and the responses.

    With every dawn there arises a new user. Don't ALL children ask the dumbest
    questions !

    Very soon they too will be proficient in one aspect or another and
    contribute to the community.

    It is the nature of the beast.

    Ritch

    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:dvpu3e$du313@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Maybe it's time for someone to post new user guidelines on these
    > newsgroups.
    > If one more person asks, "how do I center pages in all browsers?" Or "how
    > do I get my pages to look right on all screen sizes?" I think I'll join a
    > cloistered religious order. Particularly since many thoughtful people
    > have
    > generously contributed excellent responses to these Frequently Asked
    > Questions.
    >
    > Wouldn't it be helpful to new users if an explanation of newgroup
    > etiquette
    > and lessons on how to search/find topics on these newsgroups were posted
    > regularly? Obviously, not all people use OE. Not all people use a web
    > based system, so guidelines for both would be useful.
    >
    > Just my 2 cents.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    > "LWD" <**lucdix**@**jam**dot*rr**dot**com> wrote in message
    > news:dvprai$du39@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Well, Tyson, if you enjoy answering questions which have been asked
    >> dozens
    >> of times, be my guest. I see no posts from you in either the 8 or 9
    >> newsgroups before this one out of the blue. The other posts are in the 7
    >> and 7.5 newsgroups and several years old.
    >>
    >> I see it as perfectly normal 'netiquette' to try to answer a question
    >> yourself through research before you waste someone else's time -
    >> particularly since this particular matter has been addressed ad infinitum
    >> here and elsewhere.
    >>
    >> Lucian
    >>
    >> "Tyson Couch" <replytothenewgroups@news.netobjects.com> wrote in message
    >> news:dvpphc$dtd3@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> > >I have the impression, Bill, that you're one more person who jumps
    >> > >into

    > a
    >> >> newsgroup without looking at what's already been written. The 'don't
    >> >> paste
    >> >> directly from Word' discussion has taken place in here and in other
    >> >> Fusion
    >> >> newsgroups a few hundred times. Did you search the newsgroups to see

    > if
    >> >> your question had already been addressed?
    >> >>
    >> >> Lucian
    >> >
    >> >> I actually run Word text through NoteTab and then, in Fusion, paste

    > that
    >> >> text as 'unformatted text', also have 'paste as unformatted text' set

    > as
    >> >> my
    >> >> default. If the text is already in Fusion, 'clear formatting' in the
    >> >> HTML
    >> >> properties palette seems to work as well - and it's easy to test: just
    >> >> look
    >> >> at the outputted code with 'View Source'.
    >> >>
    >> >> Lucian
    >> >
    >> > First Lucian these news groups have had the rep as the friendliest for
    >> > a
    >> > reason. We don't trounce everyone who comes in and doesn't search
    >> > first.
    >> > Not everyone is a Newsgroup guru. NOF isn't aimed at Guru's directly.
    >> >
    >> > Second there's over 3400 messages and Google Groups has yet to pick up
    >> > this versions groups so easy searching would require actually

    > downloading
    >> > 3500 headers AND bodies to get a meaningful search.
    >> >
    >> > Third your making it way harder then it has to be. With your default

    > paste
    >> > set at "unformatted text" in NOF there is no reason to use a third
    >> > party
    >> > program for striping MS code. I have been doing it that way since it
    >> > was
    >> > introduced into NOF.
    >> >
    >> > So Bill you may want to delete the page you copied directly from Word

    > into
    >> > and start fresh if Lucian's suggestion of clearing formatting doesn't
    >> > work. Then right click in any text box and go to the paste area and set
    >> > your paste default to unformatted text.
    >> >
    >> > Now Bill I know why you want to copy directly from Word, but I have to
    >> > tell you Document formatting code doesn't work very well on the web.
    >> > Especially M$ proprietary formatting.
    >> >
    >> > Hope this was of some help to you.
    >> >
    >> > Sincerely
    >> >
    >> > Tyson Couch
    >> > Former TNO
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  2. #2
    LWD
    Guest

    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    lol - yes, Nancy, that's exactly what I mean - and I don't buy the argument
    that there's too much to search.

    There are also answers to all these questions at a number of Fusion-focused
    third-party sites - and no, I'm not going to list them - all that takes is a
    little research, too - clicking on the links in frequent posters'
    signatures, for instance.

    I just feel the number of people not bothering to research before they ask
    questions has increased exponentially of late - or perhaps I just hadn't had
    enough coffee when I replied to the post earlier. I feel I would have
    written exactly the same thing after more coffee, however.

    L.

    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:dvpu3e$du313@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Maybe it's time for someone to post new user guidelines on these
    > newsgroups.
    > If one more person asks, "how do I center pages in all browsers?" Or "how
    > do I get my pages to look right on all screen sizes?" I think I'll join a
    > cloistered religious order. Particularly since many thoughtful people
    > have
    > generously contributed excellent responses to these Frequently Asked
    > Questions.
    >
    > Wouldn't it be helpful to new users if an explanation of newgroup
    > etiquette
    > and lessons on how to search/find topics on these newsgroups were posted
    > regularly? Obviously, not all people use OE. Not all people use a web
    > based system, so guidelines for both would be useful.
    >
    > Just my 2 cents.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    > "LWD" <**lucdix**@**jam**dot*rr**dot**com> wrote in message
    > news:dvprai$du39@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Well, Tyson, if you enjoy answering questions which have been asked
    >> dozens
    >> of times, be my guest. I see no posts from you in either the 8 or 9
    >> newsgroups before this one out of the blue. The other posts are in the 7
    >> and 7.5 newsgroups and several years old.
    >>
    >> I see it as perfectly normal 'netiquette' to try to answer a question
    >> yourself through research before you waste someone else's time -
    >> particularly since this particular matter has been addressed ad infinitum
    >> here and elsewhere.
    >>
    >> Lucian
    >>
    >> "Tyson Couch" <replytothenewgroups@news.netobjects.com> wrote in message
    >> news:dvpphc$dtd3@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> > >I have the impression, Bill, that you're one more person who jumps
    >> > >into

    > a
    >> >> newsgroup without looking at what's already been written. The 'don't
    >> >> paste
    >> >> directly from Word' discussion has taken place in here and in other
    >> >> Fusion
    >> >> newsgroups a few hundred times. Did you search the newsgroups to see

    > if
    >> >> your question had already been addressed?
    >> >>
    >> >> Lucian
    >> >
    >> >> I actually run Word text through NoteTab and then, in Fusion, paste

    > that
    >> >> text as 'unformatted text', also have 'paste as unformatted text' set

    > as
    >> >> my
    >> >> default. If the text is already in Fusion, 'clear formatting' in the
    >> >> HTML
    >> >> properties palette seems to work as well - and it's easy to test: just
    >> >> look
    >> >> at the outputted code with 'View Source'.
    >> >>
    >> >> Lucian
    >> >
    >> > First Lucian these news groups have had the rep as the friendliest for
    >> > a
    >> > reason. We don't trounce everyone who comes in and doesn't search
    >> > first.
    >> > Not everyone is a Newsgroup guru. NOF isn't aimed at Guru's directly.
    >> >
    >> > Second there's over 3400 messages and Google Groups has yet to pick up
    >> > this versions groups so easy searching would require actually

    > downloading
    >> > 3500 headers AND bodies to get a meaningful search.
    >> >
    >> > Third your making it way harder then it has to be. With your default

    > paste
    >> > set at "unformatted text" in NOF there is no reason to use a third
    >> > party
    >> > program for striping MS code. I have been doing it that way since it
    >> > was
    >> > introduced into NOF.
    >> >
    >> > So Bill you may want to delete the page you copied directly from Word

    > into
    >> > and start fresh if Lucian's suggestion of clearing formatting doesn't
    >> > work. Then right click in any text box and go to the paste area and set
    >> > your paste default to unformatted text.
    >> >
    >> > Now Bill I know why you want to copy directly from Word, but I have to
    >> > tell you Document formatting code doesn't work very well on the web.
    >> > Especially M$ proprietary formatting.
    >> >
    >> > Hope this was of some help to you.
    >> >
    >> > Sincerely
    >> >
    >> > Tyson Couch
    >> > Former TNO
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  3. #3
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    Maybe it's time for someone to post new user guidelines on these newsgroups.
    If one more person asks, "how do I center pages in all browsers?" Or "how
    do I get my pages to look right on all screen sizes?" I think I'll join a
    cloistered religious order. Particularly since many thoughtful people have
    generously contributed excellent responses to these Frequently Asked
    Questions.

    Wouldn't it be helpful to new users if an explanation of newgroup etiquette
    and lessons on how to search/find topics on these newsgroups were posted
    regularly? Obviously, not all people use OE. Not all people use a web
    based system, so guidelines for both would be useful.

    Just my 2 cents.

    --Nancy

    "LWD" <**lucdix**@**jam**dot*rr**dot**com> wrote in message
    news:dvprai$du39@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Well, Tyson, if you enjoy answering questions which have been asked dozens
    > of times, be my guest. I see no posts from you in either the 8 or 9
    > newsgroups before this one out of the blue. The other posts are in the 7
    > and 7.5 newsgroups and several years old.
    >
    > I see it as perfectly normal 'netiquette' to try to answer a question
    > yourself through research before you waste someone else's time -
    > particularly since this particular matter has been addressed ad infinitum
    > here and elsewhere.
    >
    > Lucian
    >
    > "Tyson Couch" <replytothenewgroups@news.netobjects.com> wrote in message
    > news:dvpphc$dtd3@news01.netobjects.com...
    > > >I have the impression, Bill, that you're one more person who jumps into

    a
    > >> newsgroup without looking at what's already been written. The 'don't
    > >> paste
    > >> directly from Word' discussion has taken place in here and in other
    > >> Fusion
    > >> newsgroups a few hundred times. Did you search the newsgroups to see

    if
    > >> your question had already been addressed?
    > >>
    > >> Lucian

    > >
    > >> I actually run Word text through NoteTab and then, in Fusion, paste

    that
    > >> text as 'unformatted text', also have 'paste as unformatted text' set

    as
    > >> my
    > >> default. If the text is already in Fusion, 'clear formatting' in the
    > >> HTML
    > >> properties palette seems to work as well - and it's easy to test: just
    > >> look
    > >> at the outputted code with 'View Source'.
    > >>
    > >> Lucian

    > >
    > > First Lucian these news groups have had the rep as the friendliest for a
    > > reason. We don't trounce everyone who comes in and doesn't search first.
    > > Not everyone is a Newsgroup guru. NOF isn't aimed at Guru's directly.
    > >
    > > Second there's over 3400 messages and Google Groups has yet to pick up
    > > this versions groups so easy searching would require actually

    downloading
    > > 3500 headers AND bodies to get a meaningful search.
    > >
    > > Third your making it way harder then it has to be. With your default

    paste
    > > set at "unformatted text" in NOF there is no reason to use a third party
    > > program for striping MS code. I have been doing it that way since it was
    > > introduced into NOF.
    > >
    > > So Bill you may want to delete the page you copied directly from Word

    into
    > > and start fresh if Lucian's suggestion of clearing formatting doesn't
    > > work. Then right click in any text box and go to the paste area and set
    > > your paste default to unformatted text.
    > >
    > > Now Bill I know why you want to copy directly from Word, but I have to
    > > tell you Document formatting code doesn't work very well on the web.
    > > Especially M$ proprietary formatting.
    > >
    > > Hope this was of some help to you.
    > >
    > > Sincerely
    > >
    > > Tyson Couch
    > > Former TNO
    > >

    >
    >




  4. #4
    LWD
    Guest

    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    Well, Tyson, if you enjoy answering questions which have been asked dozens
    of times, be my guest. I see no posts from you in either the 8 or 9
    newsgroups before this one out of the blue. The other posts are in the 7
    and 7.5 newsgroups and several years old.

    I see it as perfectly normal 'netiquette' to try to answer a question
    yourself through research before you waste someone else's time -
    particularly since this particular matter has been addressed ad infinitum
    here and elsewhere.

    Lucian

    "Tyson Couch" <replytothenewgroups@news.netobjects.com> wrote in message
    news:dvpphc$dtd3@news01.netobjects.com...
    > >I have the impression, Bill, that you're one more person who jumps into a
    >> newsgroup without looking at what's already been written. The 'don't
    >> paste
    >> directly from Word' discussion has taken place in here and in other
    >> Fusion
    >> newsgroups a few hundred times. Did you search the newsgroups to see if
    >> your question had already been addressed?
    >>
    >> Lucian

    >
    >> I actually run Word text through NoteTab and then, in Fusion, paste that
    >> text as 'unformatted text', also have 'paste as unformatted text' set as
    >> my
    >> default. If the text is already in Fusion, 'clear formatting' in the
    >> HTML
    >> properties palette seems to work as well - and it's easy to test: just
    >> look
    >> at the outputted code with 'View Source'.
    >>
    >> Lucian

    >
    > First Lucian these news groups have had the rep as the friendliest for a
    > reason. We don't trounce everyone who comes in and doesn't search first.
    > Not everyone is a Newsgroup guru. NOF isn't aimed at Guru's directly.
    >
    > Second there's over 3400 messages and Google Groups has yet to pick up
    > this versions groups so easy searching would require actually downloading
    > 3500 headers AND bodies to get a meaningful search.
    >
    > Third your making it way harder then it has to be. With your default paste
    > set at "unformatted text" in NOF there is no reason to use a third party
    > program for striping MS code. I have been doing it that way since it was
    > introduced into NOF.
    >
    > So Bill you may want to delete the page you copied directly from Word into
    > and start fresh if Lucian's suggestion of clearing formatting doesn't
    > work. Then right click in any text box and go to the paste area and set
    > your paste default to unformatted text.
    >
    > Now Bill I know why you want to copy directly from Word, but I have to
    > tell you Document formatting code doesn't work very well on the web.
    > Especially M$ proprietary formatting.
    >
    > Hope this was of some help to you.
    >
    > Sincerely
    >
    > Tyson Couch
    > Former TNO
    >




  5. #5
    Bill Weber
    Guest

    Default Word Import Problem

    When I cut and paste from Word, the curly quotes turn into "?" marks when
    delivered by the website. What's going on and how can I easily fix this??

    Thanks in advance,

    Bill



  6. #6
    LWD
    Guest

    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    I have the impression, Bill, that you're one more person who jumps into a
    newsgroup without looking at what's already been written. The 'don't paste
    directly from Word' discussion has taken place in here and in other Fusion
    newsgroups a few hundred times. Did you search the newsgroups to see if
    your question had already been addressed?

    Lucian

    "Bill Weber" <bweber23@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:dvpdre$dre2@news01.netobjects.com...
    > When I cut and paste from Word, the curly quotes turn into "?" marks when
    > delivered by the website. What's going on and how can I easily fix this??
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > Bill
    >




  7. #7
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    I know this has been covered over and over again but it bears repeating. Do
    Not Paste from MS Word to NOF. It's a recipe for big problems. Instead,
    paste into a text editing program like Word Pad, Notepad or similar. Save
    as Text (removes all formatting), then copy and paste into NOF. You'll be
    glad you did.

    --Nancy



    "Bill Weber" <bweber23@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:dvpdre$dre2@news01.netobjects.com...
    > When I cut and paste from Word, the curly quotes turn into "?" marks when
    > delivered by the website. What's going on and how can I easily fix this??
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > Bill
    >
    >




  8. #8
    Garret Mott
    Guest

    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    Hi Nancy (and All) -

    > paste into a text editing program like Word Pad, Notepad or similar.


    A thought I'd toss out here. I realize that your intent is to strip all
    non-text characters - a very good idea, having been bitten by pasting from
    Word myself.

    WordPad may not do this, as it does read some versions of Word files
    (Word95 - 6.0 for sure + maybe others).

    Notepad (or any other text-only editor) is the safest, as it will only
    accept standard text characters.

    Of course you lose all your formatting (bold, etc.) - but for those who
    don't know - that's the reason for doing it: Word uses it's own ways of
    formatting that (even if the Word document is saved as html) are not
    compatible with plain html.

    Not trying to complain, but hopefully help ;-)

    Garret Mott

    Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com



  9. #9
    LWD
    Guest

    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    Hi, Garrett,

    I agree with you with regards to Wordpad. Notepad is safer - as are other
    plain text editors such as NoteTab.

    I actually run Word text through NoteTab and then, in Fusion, paste that
    text as 'unformatted text', also have 'paste as unformatted text' set as my
    default. If the text is already in Fusion, 'clear formatting' in the HTML
    properties palette seems to work as well - and it's easy to test: just look
    at the outputted code with 'View Source'.

    Lucian

    "Garret Mott" <garret_atsign_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
    news:dvpi23$dre10@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Hi Nancy (and All) -
    >
    > > paste into a text editing program like Word Pad, Notepad or similar.

    >
    > A thought I'd toss out here. I realize that your intent is to strip all
    > non-text characters - a very good idea, having been bitten by pasting from
    > Word myself.
    >
    > WordPad may not do this, as it does read some versions of Word files
    > (Word95 - 6.0 for sure + maybe others).
    >
    > Notepad (or any other text-only editor) is the safest, as it will only
    > accept standard text characters.
    >
    > Of course you lose all your formatting (bold, etc.) - but for those who
    > don't know - that's the reason for doing it: Word uses it's own ways of
    > formatting that (even if the Word document is saved as html) are not
    > compatible with plain html.
    >
    > Not trying to complain, but hopefully help ;-)
    >
    > Garret Mott
    >
    > Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    > Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >
    >




  10. #10
    Tyson Couch
    Guest

    Default Re: Word Import Problem

    >I have the impression, Bill, that you're one more person who jumps into a
    > newsgroup without looking at what's already been written. The 'don't
    > paste
    > directly from Word' discussion has taken place in here and in other Fusion
    > newsgroups a few hundred times. Did you search the newsgroups to see if
    > your question had already been addressed?
    >
    > Lucian


    > I actually run Word text through NoteTab and then, in Fusion, paste that
    > text as 'unformatted text', also have 'paste as unformatted text' set as
    > my
    > default. If the text is already in Fusion, 'clear formatting' in the HTML
    > properties palette seems to work as well - and it's easy to test: just
    > look
    > at the outputted code with 'View Source'.
    >
    > Lucian


    First Lucian these news groups have had the rep as the friendliest for a
    reason. We don't trounce everyone who comes in and doesn't search first. Not
    everyone is a Newsgroup guru. NOF isn't aimed at Guru's directly.

    Second there's over 3400 messages and Google Groups has yet to pick up this
    versions groups so easy searching would require actually downloading 3500
    headers AND bodies to get a meaningful search.

    Third your making it way harder then it has to be. With your default paste
    set at "unformatted text" in NOF there is no reason to use a third party
    program for striping MS code. I have been doing it that way since it was
    introduced into NOF.

    So Bill you may want to delete the page you copied directly from Word into
    and start fresh if Lucian's suggestion of clearing formatting doesn't work.
    Then right click in any text box and go to the paste area and set your paste
    default to unformatted text.

    Now Bill I know why you want to copy directly from Word, but I have to tell
    you Document formatting code doesn't work very well on the web. Especially
    M$ proprietary formatting.

    Hope this was of some help to you.

    Sincerely

    Tyson Couch
    Former TNO



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