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  1. #21
    Anthony
    Guest

    Default Re: master borders

    Thanks for this explanation. It's a bit confusing, but I'll keep reading it.



  2. #22
    LWD
    Guest

    Default understanding how Fusion works / photo galleries

    Well, the simplest way to understand it is to download the Developers
    Toolbar I mention for Firefox. Then start making simple pages. Then local
    publish those pages and look at them with the Outline-Table Cells function
    of the Developers Toolbar and you'll see how it works. You can set CSS
    margins for paragraphs right in Fusion (though you can also do it
    externally) via Text-Manage Styles-Custom Styles and that can make your code
    seriously leaner.

    As far as stacked pages, though, they'll eat up your server space and
    complicate your Fusion nod file faster than a speeding bullet. I have no
    way of knowing if they're what caused your crashes but I strongly suspect
    it. An external photo album/gallery program (I like JAlbum, but there are
    many others which are excellent) gives you more flexibility over how the
    albums look and has the additional, very important advantage that if a
    gallery crashes it's an isolated matter; your website doesn't.

    Just as a general note, the thing to remember about Fusion is that it's an
    html generator, not an editor - and the html it generates is part of a
    database, which is why the files are called 'nod' files - NetObjects
    Databases. The fact that it's a database program is what gives you the
    enormous flexibility you have doing layouts - but you have to realize how it
    works - and never, for instance, insert code in the html source view - which
    is actually superfluous and should be removed. Insert code via Ctrl-T in
    text boxes and the html button in the property palettes. Then look at what
    you generated in the source view of your browser.

    Lucian

    "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:e26pvm$mkl1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Thanks for this explanation. It's a bit confusing, but I'll keep reading
    > it.
    >
    >




  3. #23
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: More bugs?

    Not overly complicated. If each project has it's own nod file, you can use
    external links to the other sub sites. Divide now and conquer. It's much
    easier to split the site initially than later on when it gets too clumsy to
    work with.

    I was forced to use FP years ago and it had it's own set of problems which I
    hated. It all comes down to what you feel most comfortable using. NOF is
    wysiwyg and graphics intensive, same as adobe products. Even Dreamweaver
    and GoLive have limits to how much they can store in a single web site file.

    --Nancy



    "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:e26dn1$lm71@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I created a website with front page with this exact number of pictures and
    > many other pages over 5 years ago. Fusion 9 is a more modern piece of
    > software, I would think it should handle this just fine. After all, this

    is
    > a professional package, is it not?
    >
    > So I would be better off splitting the website up into different projects?
    > Is it complicated to do it this way?
    >
    >
    > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > news:e25pld$het1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > | Good grief. Please don't place 1500+ photos into one nod file. NOF
    > gallery
    > | databases should be kept to just a few per nod file. I don't use more
    > than
    > | 20-30 photos per gallery. 60 would be pushing the NOF limits. Perhaps
    > you
    > | should look at jalbum which Lucian highly recommends. But even Jalbum

    has
    > | limits, too.
    > |
    > | --Nancy
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > | news:e247es$csp6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > | > Thanks for the suggestion. I had already resized and optimized the
    > | images.
    > | > The total size for ALL of the photos I have so far is only 67.5
    > MEGAbytes.
    > | I
    > | > have a total of 1,518 photos, which I had hoped to spread across the

    25
    > | > galleries. Most are sized to approx 320 pixels wide, and a few are 640
    > | > pixels. Most files are less than 40K each.
    > | >
    > | > If you look at the galleries I created on my old website
    > | www.chippeweb.com,
    > | > these are all the same photos I was trying to add to gallery pages in
    > | > Fusion.
    > | >
    > | >
    > | > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > | > news:e238i0$87n4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > | > | Hi Anthony,
    > | > | Welcome to the NOF newsgroup. I agree with Chuck and Lucian but

    would
    > | > also
    > | > | add this:
    > | > |
    > | > | Optimize those family photos in Photoshop or some other photo

    editing
    > | > | program BEFORE inserting images into NOF. No web design program can
    > | > handle
    > | > | huge (5-8 megapixel) image libraries. Full size Photo Gallery

    images
    > | > should
    > | > | be compressed into 30-50 kb jpgs before you bring them into NOF,
    > | otherwise
    > | > | you are inviting disaster.
    > | > |
    > | > | Best of luck on your project,
    > | > |
    > | > | --Nancy
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > | > | news:e219ae$3g51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > | > | > Not to put anything down, as all software has bugs - but some of

    the
    > | > | > problems I have seen in the 2 days I have used it are amazing.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > I need help .... OR A REFUND! (I have already requested one).
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 1) I spent about 2 hours getting my website together (a personal

    web
    > | > | site).
    > | > | > The main focus will be photos of family / friends. Anyway, after

    2
    > | > hours
    > | > | of
    > | > | > work, and about 4 or 5 pages completed, I tried to open the

    project
    > | > again
    > | > | > and am greeted with a message that invalid objects were found and
    > | would
    > | > be
    > | > | > removed. I was told the operation was successful. The website was
    > | > useless
    > | > | > after this. I had to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 2) By this time, I was a bit more comfortable and was able to
    > recreate
    > | > the
    > | > | > lost pages a bit more quickly. I tried to change some settings (I
    > | forget
    > | > | > where), and the program just lost focus, like there was a hidden
    > | dialog
    > | > | box
    > | > | > somewhere, but none was visible, nothing in the task manager, no
    > | button
    > | > on
    > | > | > the task bar. I couldn't click on anything in the window. When I
    > | tried
    > | > to
    > | > | > click anywhere in the Fusion window I would get an error beep and
    > the
    > | > | window
    > | > | > border would flash (exactly what happens when a dialog box is
    > | displayed
    > | > | and
    > | > | > you try to click outside the dialog). I had to kill Fusion.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 3) On next restart, I received a message that the site was corrupt
    > and
    > | a
    > | > | > backup would be restored. It seemed to restore fine. By this

    time,
    > I
    > | > had
    > | > | > about 30 incomplete pages in the website. I then discovered that a
    > | menu
    > | > | drop
    > | > | > list I created with 25 items lost ALL the URLs I had pasted in.

    The
    > | text
    > | > | > labels were still there, but the URL boxes were blank. I had to

    go
    > | > again,
    > | > | > and click, ONE BY ONE, then reposition the properties window to

    get
    > to
    > | > the
    > | > | > next item, on and on, for all 25 links.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 4) I fixed that and saved the project. Then, when I tried to go to
    > my
    > | > home
    > | > | > page to edit it, it would not let me open the home page. It said

    the
    > | > page
    > | > | > was too large and I needed to resize fonts in the associated

    style,
    > OR
    > | > | open
    > | > | > it up in Windows NT 4 (HUH??????). The home page only had the

    usual
    > | > | > rollover links in the border area and 2 paragraphs of text, and a
    > | small
    > | > | > picture. Funny - I could publish the site, and the home page was
    > | fine -
    > | > | no
    > | > | > large fonts, and the home page was only 1K in size. So, I had to
    > | create
    > | > a
    > | > | > new page, then drag it above the home page to make that my NEW

    home
    > | > page,
    > | > | > then delete the old home page.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 5) This one really IRKS me to no end... I have created many photo
    > | > gallery
    > | > | > pages, and have completed 4 pages so far. When I created the

    pages,
    > I
    > | > | > resized the bottom border to just below the bottom of the

    thumbnails
    > | > grid.
    > | > | > However, Fusion INSISTS on creating A LOT of empty space after the
    > end
    > | > of
    > | > | > the thumbnails. I have links in the bottom border of these pages,

    so
    > | one
    > | > | > would need to scroll all the way down to get to those links. No
    > | matter
    > | > | how
    > | > | > many times I resize the height of the page, it always reverts to

    the
    > | big
    > | > | > empty space. If I resize the page, then preview the page, the

    blank
    > | > space
    > | > | is
    > | > | > gone - until I view the page in the editor again. Why does it do
    > | > this???
    > | > | > And how do I get rid of the empty space?
    > | > | >
    > | > | > I have WinXP home - all updates (NOT IE 7), 3GB DDR RAM, 1 TB HD
    > space
    > | > (on
    > | > | 2
    > | > | > physical drives) about 600GB free space on drives. I would think
    > the
    > | > | > software would behave better than this.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > Any comments/suggestions/criticisms welcomed. Thank you.
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | >
    > | >
    > |
    > |
    >
    >




  4. #24
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: More bugs?

    Hi Lucian,
    LOL we must have gone to the same school.

    --N


    "LWD" <**lucdix**@**jam**dot*rr**dot**com> wrote in message
    news:e26frd$lm72@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Hi, Anthony,
    >
    > Well, I know a Fusion user who was forced to use FrontPage 2003 for a

    client
    > just a few months ago and he said that it's nowhere near as bad as it used
    > to be and I keep thinking, well, if you really prefer FP and know it
    > already, why not just use it? However, said client, after my friend had

    put
    > in all that work, decided to switch to Dreamweaver, so I'm sure there's a
    > lesson there to be learned - but DW has its own problems.
    >
    > As far as splitting up the website, well, there are reasons to do that and
    > it's not all that complicated, but I'm just talking about setting up
    > separate photo albums - see my post above.
    >
    > Lucian
    >
    > "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:e26dn1$lm71@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >I created a website with front page with this exact number of pictures

    and
    > > many other pages over 5 years ago. Fusion 9 is a more modern piece of
    > > software, I would think it should handle this just fine. After all,

    this
    > > is
    > > a professional package, is it not?
    > >
    > > So I would be better off splitting the website up into different

    projects?
    > > Is it complicated to do it this way?
    > >
    > >
    > > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > > news:e25pld$het1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > | Good grief. Please don't place 1500+ photos into one nod file. NOF
    > > gallery
    > > | databases should be kept to just a few per nod file. I don't use more
    > > than
    > > | 20-30 photos per gallery. 60 would be pushing the NOF limits.

    Perhaps
    > > you
    > > | should look at jalbum which Lucian highly recommends. But even Jalbum
    > > has
    > > | limits, too.
    > > |
    > > | --Nancy
    > > |
    > > |
    > > |
    > > |
    > > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > | news:e247es$csp6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > | > Thanks for the suggestion. I had already resized and optimized the
    > > | images.
    > > | > The total size for ALL of the photos I have so far is only 67.5
    > > MEGAbytes.
    > > | I
    > > | > have a total of 1,518 photos, which I had hoped to spread across the
    > > 25
    > > | > galleries. Most are sized to approx 320 pixels wide, and a few are

    640
    > > | > pixels. Most files are less than 40K each.
    > > | >
    > > | > If you look at the galleries I created on my old website
    > > | www.chippeweb.com,
    > > | > these are all the same photos I was trying to add to gallery pages

    in
    > > | > Fusion.
    > > | >
    > > | >
    > > | > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > > | > news:e238i0$87n4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > | > | Hi Anthony,
    > > | > | Welcome to the NOF newsgroup. I agree with Chuck and Lucian but
    > > would
    > > | > also
    > > | > | add this:
    > > | > |
    > > | > | Optimize those family photos in Photoshop or some other photo
    > > editing
    > > | > | program BEFORE inserting images into NOF. No web design program

    can
    > > | > handle
    > > | > | huge (5-8 megapixel) image libraries. Full size Photo Gallery
    > > images
    > > | > should
    > > | > | be compressed into 30-50 kb jpgs before you bring them into NOF,
    > > | otherwise
    > > | > | you are inviting disaster.
    > > | > |
    > > | > | Best of luck on your project,
    > > | > |
    > > | > | --Nancy
    > > | > |
    > > | > |
    > > | > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > | > | news:e219ae$3g51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > | > | > Not to put anything down, as all software has bugs - but some of
    > > the
    > > | > | > problems I have seen in the 2 days I have used it are amazing.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > I need help .... OR A REFUND! (I have already requested one).
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 1) I spent about 2 hours getting my website together (a personal
    > > web
    > > | > | site).
    > > | > | > The main focus will be photos of family / friends. Anyway,

    after
    > > 2
    > > | > hours
    > > | > | of
    > > | > | > work, and about 4 or 5 pages completed, I tried to open the
    > > project
    > > | > again
    > > | > | > and am greeted with a message that invalid objects were found

    and
    > > | would
    > > | > be
    > > | > | > removed. I was told the operation was successful. The website

    was
    > > | > useless
    > > | > | > after this. I had to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 2) By this time, I was a bit more comfortable and was able to
    > > recreate
    > > | > the
    > > | > | > lost pages a bit more quickly. I tried to change some settings

    (I
    > > | forget
    > > | > | > where), and the program just lost focus, like there was a hidden
    > > | dialog
    > > | > | box
    > > | > | > somewhere, but none was visible, nothing in the task manager, no
    > > | button
    > > | > on
    > > | > | > the task bar. I couldn't click on anything in the window. When

    I
    > > | tried
    > > | > to
    > > | > | > click anywhere in the Fusion window I would get an error beep

    and
    > > the
    > > | > | window
    > > | > | > border would flash (exactly what happens when a dialog box is
    > > | displayed
    > > | > | and
    > > | > | > you try to click outside the dialog). I had to kill Fusion.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 3) On next restart, I received a message that the site was

    corrupt
    > > and
    > > | a
    > > | > | > backup would be restored. It seemed to restore fine. By this
    > > time,
    > > I
    > > | > had
    > > | > | > about 30 incomplete pages in the website. I then discovered that

    a
    > > | menu
    > > | > | drop
    > > | > | > list I created with 25 items lost ALL the URLs I had pasted in.
    > > The
    > > | text
    > > | > | > labels were still there, but the URL boxes were blank. I had to
    > > go
    > > | > again,
    > > | > | > and click, ONE BY ONE, then reposition the properties window to
    > > get
    > > to
    > > | > the
    > > | > | > next item, on and on, for all 25 links.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 4) I fixed that and saved the project. Then, when I tried to go

    to
    > > my
    > > | > home
    > > | > | > page to edit it, it would not let me open the home page. It said
    > > the
    > > | > page
    > > | > | > was too large and I needed to resize fonts in the associated
    > > style,
    > > OR
    > > | > | open
    > > | > | > it up in Windows NT 4 (HUH??????). The home page only had the
    > > usual
    > > | > | > rollover links in the border area and 2 paragraphs of text, and

    a
    > > | small
    > > | > | > picture. Funny - I could publish the site, and the home page

    was
    > > | fine -
    > > | > | no
    > > | > | > large fonts, and the home page was only 1K in size. So, I had

    to
    > > | create
    > > | > a
    > > | > | > new page, then drag it above the home page to make that my NEW
    > > home
    > > | > page,
    > > | > | > then delete the old home page.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 5) This one really IRKS me to no end... I have created many

    photo
    > > | > gallery
    > > | > | > pages, and have completed 4 pages so far. When I created the
    > > pages,
    > > I
    > > | > | > resized the bottom border to just below the bottom of the
    > > thumbnails
    > > | > grid.
    > > | > | > However, Fusion INSISTS on creating A LOT of empty space after

    the
    > > end
    > > | > of
    > > | > | > the thumbnails. I have links in the bottom border of these

    pages,
    > > so
    > > | one
    > > | > | > would need to scroll all the way down to get to those links. No
    > > | matter
    > > | > | how
    > > | > | > many times I resize the height of the page, it always reverts to
    > > the
    > > | big
    > > | > | > empty space. If I resize the page, then preview the page, the
    > > blank
    > > | > space
    > > | > | is
    > > | > | > gone - until I view the page in the editor again. Why does it

    do
    > > | > this???
    > > | > | > And how do I get rid of the empty space?
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > I have WinXP home - all updates (NOT IE 7), 3GB DDR RAM, 1 TB HD
    > > space
    > > | > (on
    > > | > | 2
    > > | > | > physical drives) about 600GB free space on drives. I would

    think
    > > the
    > > | > | > software would behave better than this.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > Any comments/suggestions/criticisms welcomed. Thank you.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > |
    > > | > |
    > > | >
    > > | >
    > > |
    > > |
    > >
    > >

    >
    >




  5. #25
    LWD
    Guest

    Default Re: More bugs?

    Hi, Anthony,

    Well, I know a Fusion user who was forced to use FrontPage 2003 for a client
    just a few months ago and he said that it's nowhere near as bad as it used
    to be and I keep thinking, well, if you really prefer FP and know it
    already, why not just use it? However, said client, after my friend had put
    in all that work, decided to switch to Dreamweaver, so I'm sure there's a
    lesson there to be learned - but DW has its own problems.

    As far as splitting up the website, well, there are reasons to do that and
    it's not all that complicated, but I'm just talking about setting up
    separate photo albums - see my post above.

    Lucian

    "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:e26dn1$lm71@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >I created a website with front page with this exact number of pictures and
    > many other pages over 5 years ago. Fusion 9 is a more modern piece of
    > software, I would think it should handle this just fine. After all, this
    > is
    > a professional package, is it not?
    >
    > So I would be better off splitting the website up into different projects?
    > Is it complicated to do it this way?
    >
    >
    > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > news:e25pld$het1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > | Good grief. Please don't place 1500+ photos into one nod file. NOF
    > gallery
    > | databases should be kept to just a few per nod file. I don't use more
    > than
    > | 20-30 photos per gallery. 60 would be pushing the NOF limits. Perhaps
    > you
    > | should look at jalbum which Lucian highly recommends. But even Jalbum
    > has
    > | limits, too.
    > |
    > | --Nancy
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > |
    > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > | news:e247es$csp6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > | > Thanks for the suggestion. I had already resized and optimized the
    > | images.
    > | > The total size for ALL of the photos I have so far is only 67.5
    > MEGAbytes.
    > | I
    > | > have a total of 1,518 photos, which I had hoped to spread across the
    > 25
    > | > galleries. Most are sized to approx 320 pixels wide, and a few are 640
    > | > pixels. Most files are less than 40K each.
    > | >
    > | > If you look at the galleries I created on my old website
    > | www.chippeweb.com,
    > | > these are all the same photos I was trying to add to gallery pages in
    > | > Fusion.
    > | >
    > | >
    > | > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > | > news:e238i0$87n4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > | > | Hi Anthony,
    > | > | Welcome to the NOF newsgroup. I agree with Chuck and Lucian but
    > would
    > | > also
    > | > | add this:
    > | > |
    > | > | Optimize those family photos in Photoshop or some other photo
    > editing
    > | > | program BEFORE inserting images into NOF. No web design program can
    > | > handle
    > | > | huge (5-8 megapixel) image libraries. Full size Photo Gallery
    > images
    > | > should
    > | > | be compressed into 30-50 kb jpgs before you bring them into NOF,
    > | otherwise
    > | > | you are inviting disaster.
    > | > |
    > | > | Best of luck on your project,
    > | > |
    > | > | --Nancy
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > | > | news:e219ae$3g51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > | > | > Not to put anything down, as all software has bugs - but some of
    > the
    > | > | > problems I have seen in the 2 days I have used it are amazing.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > I need help .... OR A REFUND! (I have already requested one).
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 1) I spent about 2 hours getting my website together (a personal
    > web
    > | > | site).
    > | > | > The main focus will be photos of family / friends. Anyway, after
    > 2
    > | > hours
    > | > | of
    > | > | > work, and about 4 or 5 pages completed, I tried to open the
    > project
    > | > again
    > | > | > and am greeted with a message that invalid objects were found and
    > | would
    > | > be
    > | > | > removed. I was told the operation was successful. The website was
    > | > useless
    > | > | > after this. I had to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 2) By this time, I was a bit more comfortable and was able to
    > recreate
    > | > the
    > | > | > lost pages a bit more quickly. I tried to change some settings (I
    > | forget
    > | > | > where), and the program just lost focus, like there was a hidden
    > | dialog
    > | > | box
    > | > | > somewhere, but none was visible, nothing in the task manager, no
    > | button
    > | > on
    > | > | > the task bar. I couldn't click on anything in the window. When I
    > | tried
    > | > to
    > | > | > click anywhere in the Fusion window I would get an error beep and
    > the
    > | > | window
    > | > | > border would flash (exactly what happens when a dialog box is
    > | displayed
    > | > | and
    > | > | > you try to click outside the dialog). I had to kill Fusion.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 3) On next restart, I received a message that the site was corrupt
    > and
    > | a
    > | > | > backup would be restored. It seemed to restore fine. By this
    > time,
    > I
    > | > had
    > | > | > about 30 incomplete pages in the website. I then discovered that a
    > | menu
    > | > | drop
    > | > | > list I created with 25 items lost ALL the URLs I had pasted in.
    > The
    > | text
    > | > | > labels were still there, but the URL boxes were blank. I had to
    > go
    > | > again,
    > | > | > and click, ONE BY ONE, then reposition the properties window to
    > get
    > to
    > | > the
    > | > | > next item, on and on, for all 25 links.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 4) I fixed that and saved the project. Then, when I tried to go to
    > my
    > | > home
    > | > | > page to edit it, it would not let me open the home page. It said
    > the
    > | > page
    > | > | > was too large and I needed to resize fonts in the associated
    > style,
    > OR
    > | > | open
    > | > | > it up in Windows NT 4 (HUH??????). The home page only had the
    > usual
    > | > | > rollover links in the border area and 2 paragraphs of text, and a
    > | small
    > | > | > picture. Funny - I could publish the site, and the home page was
    > | fine -
    > | > | no
    > | > | > large fonts, and the home page was only 1K in size. So, I had to
    > | create
    > | > a
    > | > | > new page, then drag it above the home page to make that my NEW
    > home
    > | > page,
    > | > | > then delete the old home page.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > 5) This one really IRKS me to no end... I have created many photo
    > | > gallery
    > | > | > pages, and have completed 4 pages so far. When I created the
    > pages,
    > I
    > | > | > resized the bottom border to just below the bottom of the
    > thumbnails
    > | > grid.
    > | > | > However, Fusion INSISTS on creating A LOT of empty space after the
    > end
    > | > of
    > | > | > the thumbnails. I have links in the bottom border of these pages,
    > so
    > | one
    > | > | > would need to scroll all the way down to get to those links. No
    > | matter
    > | > | how
    > | > | > many times I resize the height of the page, it always reverts to
    > the
    > | big
    > | > | > empty space. If I resize the page, then preview the page, the
    > blank
    > | > space
    > | > | is
    > | > | > gone - until I view the page in the editor again. Why does it do
    > | > this???
    > | > | > And how do I get rid of the empty space?
    > | > | >
    > | > | > I have WinXP home - all updates (NOT IE 7), 3GB DDR RAM, 1 TB HD
    > space
    > | > (on
    > | > | 2
    > | > | > physical drives) about 600GB free space on drives. I would think
    > the
    > | > | > software would behave better than this.
    > | > | >
    > | > | > Any comments/suggestions/criticisms welcomed. Thank you.
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > | >
    > | > |
    > | > |
    > | >
    > | >
    > |
    > |
    >
    >




  6. #26
    LWD
    Guest

    Default Re: master borders

    Fusion and other web programs (including FrontPage) use tables to position
    whatever you place on a page - text, images, Flash objects, mp3 files,
    video, whatever. Tables provide the underlying structure.

    If you put just one text box in the middle of the page, a table is telling
    it where to be when a browser opens up that page - unless you're using CSS-P
    (more on this below).

    The less work a browser has to do, the faster it works and the less likely
    it is to get confused, so it's always a good idea to keep the underlying
    code as simple as possible.

    'CSS-P' stands for 'Cascading Style Sheets Positioning' - and no wysiwyg
    design program does this automatically, though it provides the cleanest
    code. So you're stuck with tables.

    However, you can have more or fewer tables depending on how you design your
    pages and the cleanest possible code comes with using 'CSS' (note - I'm
    talking about styling, not CSS-P, which is about positioning).

    Let's take something simple like two paragraphs of text, e.g., 'The summer
    is hot' and 'The winter is cold'.

    If you want these these two paragraphs an inch away from each other
    vertically, you can
    * put them into two tables nested within another table (in Fusion this is a
    'layout region'),
    * put them in one table in different rows with several rows between them,
    * put them in one table with a row between them which has the requisite
    height,
    * put them in the same cell with line breaks between them - or -
    * the cleanest way of all - use a paragraph style you define in a stylesheet
    which gives you the correct margins to keep them that far apart from each
    other.

    The end result for the viewer on the page is two paragraphs an inch away
    from each other. The differences in the code below, however, are major -
    and the more code a browser has to process one, the slower it is, but two,
    the greater the chance it will get confused - and your web design program
    will probably get confused as well.

    So if you look at the stacked pages which Fusion creates (and FrontPage is
    no better - in my view it creates even worse code), and click through, let's
    say, Photo Gallery 1, you're clicking from page to page from, as an example,

    http://www.chippeweb.com/newsite/htm...lery_1_20.html to
    http://www.chippeweb.com/newsite/htm...lery_1_21.html to
    http://www.chippeweb.com/newsite/htm...lery_1_22.html to

    you get the idea, I'm sure.

    Each one of those pages has around 300 lines of code (I just counted).

    So your Photo Gallery 1 has 9000 lines of code (30 x 300 lines/page). for 30
    images.

    However, if you take this album created with JAlbum,
    http://www.lwdgrfx.com/2005FallMarket1/index.html

    the index page has 32 lines of code -

    and shows me 72 images - with comments.

    It uses Flash, which not everyone has switched on, but there are other
    JAlbum skins which don't use Flash and are similarly lean.

    In any event, your gallery seems to be working. So if you want to use
    Fusion's photo gallery tool, why not save that template now, then create the
    next gallery, save that nod file as a template, create the next, etc. until
    something crashes the program (or, hopefully not), but so that you're clear
    exactly what the problem's cause was. If the problem comes from changing
    the frame, then it may well be a bug. I can't say because I don't use the
    tool, but, like any tool, Fusion has to be used the way it's intrinsically
    set up to work and, as Nancy says, you're really straining its limits trying
    to have it handle that many images.

    HTH,

    Lucian



  7. #27
    Anthony
    Guest

    Default Re: More bugs?

    I created a website with front page with this exact number of pictures and
    many other pages over 5 years ago. Fusion 9 is a more modern piece of
    software, I would think it should handle this just fine. After all, this is
    a professional package, is it not?

    So I would be better off splitting the website up into different projects?
    Is it complicated to do it this way?


    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:e25pld$het1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | Good grief. Please don't place 1500+ photos into one nod file. NOF
    gallery
    | databases should be kept to just a few per nod file. I don't use more
    than
    | 20-30 photos per gallery. 60 would be pushing the NOF limits. Perhaps
    you
    | should look at jalbum which Lucian highly recommends. But even Jalbum has
    | limits, too.
    |
    | --Nancy
    |
    |
    |
    |
    | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    | news:e247es$csp6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > Thanks for the suggestion. I had already resized and optimized the
    | images.
    | > The total size for ALL of the photos I have so far is only 67.5
    MEGAbytes.
    | I
    | > have a total of 1,518 photos, which I had hoped to spread across the 25
    | > galleries. Most are sized to approx 320 pixels wide, and a few are 640
    | > pixels. Most files are less than 40K each.
    | >
    | > If you look at the galleries I created on my old website
    | www.chippeweb.com,
    | > these are all the same photos I was trying to add to gallery pages in
    | > Fusion.
    | >
    | >
    | > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    | > news:e238i0$87n4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > | Hi Anthony,
    | > | Welcome to the NOF newsgroup. I agree with Chuck and Lucian but would
    | > also
    | > | add this:
    | > |
    | > | Optimize those family photos in Photoshop or some other photo editing
    | > | program BEFORE inserting images into NOF. No web design program can
    | > handle
    | > | huge (5-8 megapixel) image libraries. Full size Photo Gallery images
    | > should
    | > | be compressed into 30-50 kb jpgs before you bring them into NOF,
    | otherwise
    | > | you are inviting disaster.
    | > |
    | > | Best of luck on your project,
    | > |
    | > | --Nancy
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    | > | news:e219ae$3g51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > | > Not to put anything down, as all software has bugs - but some of the
    | > | > problems I have seen in the 2 days I have used it are amazing.
    | > | >
    | > | > I need help .... OR A REFUND! (I have already requested one).
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | > 1) I spent about 2 hours getting my website together (a personal web
    | > | site).
    | > | > The main focus will be photos of family / friends. Anyway, after 2
    | > hours
    | > | of
    | > | > work, and about 4 or 5 pages completed, I tried to open the project
    | > again
    | > | > and am greeted with a message that invalid objects were found and
    | would
    | > be
    | > | > removed. I was told the operation was successful. The website was
    | > useless
    | > | > after this. I had to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
    | > | >
    | > | > 2) By this time, I was a bit more comfortable and was able to
    recreate
    | > the
    | > | > lost pages a bit more quickly. I tried to change some settings (I
    | forget
    | > | > where), and the program just lost focus, like there was a hidden
    | dialog
    | > | box
    | > | > somewhere, but none was visible, nothing in the task manager, no
    | button
    | > on
    | > | > the task bar. I couldn't click on anything in the window. When I
    | tried
    | > to
    | > | > click anywhere in the Fusion window I would get an error beep and
    the
    | > | window
    | > | > border would flash (exactly what happens when a dialog box is
    | displayed
    | > | and
    | > | > you try to click outside the dialog). I had to kill Fusion.
    | > | >
    | > | > 3) On next restart, I received a message that the site was corrupt
    and
    | a
    | > | > backup would be restored. It seemed to restore fine. By this time,
    I
    | > had
    | > | > about 30 incomplete pages in the website. I then discovered that a
    | menu
    | > | drop
    | > | > list I created with 25 items lost ALL the URLs I had pasted in. The
    | text
    | > | > labels were still there, but the URL boxes were blank. I had to go
    | > again,
    | > | > and click, ONE BY ONE, then reposition the properties window to get
    to
    | > the
    | > | > next item, on and on, for all 25 links.
    | > | >
    | > | > 4) I fixed that and saved the project. Then, when I tried to go to
    my
    | > home
    | > | > page to edit it, it would not let me open the home page. It said the
    | > page
    | > | > was too large and I needed to resize fonts in the associated style,
    OR
    | > | open
    | > | > it up in Windows NT 4 (HUH??????). The home page only had the usual
    | > | > rollover links in the border area and 2 paragraphs of text, and a
    | small
    | > | > picture. Funny - I could publish the site, and the home page was
    | fine -
    | > | no
    | > | > large fonts, and the home page was only 1K in size. So, I had to
    | create
    | > a
    | > | > new page, then drag it above the home page to make that my NEW home
    | > page,
    | > | > then delete the old home page.
    | > | >
    | > | > 5) This one really IRKS me to no end... I have created many photo
    | > gallery
    | > | > pages, and have completed 4 pages so far. When I created the pages,
    I
    | > | > resized the bottom border to just below the bottom of the thumbnails
    | > grid.
    | > | > However, Fusion INSISTS on creating A LOT of empty space after the
    end
    | > of
    | > | > the thumbnails. I have links in the bottom border of these pages, so
    | one
    | > | > would need to scroll all the way down to get to those links. No
    | matter
    | > | how
    | > | > many times I resize the height of the page, it always reverts to the
    | big
    | > | > empty space. If I resize the page, then preview the page, the blank
    | > space
    | > | is
    | > | > gone - until I view the page in the editor again. Why does it do
    | > this???
    | > | > And how do I get rid of the empty space?
    | > | >
    | > | > I have WinXP home - all updates (NOT IE 7), 3GB DDR RAM, 1 TB HD
    space
    | > (on
    | > | 2
    | > | > physical drives) about 600GB free space on drives. I would think
    the
    | > | > software would behave better than this.
    | > | >
    | > | > Any comments/suggestions/criticisms welcomed. Thank you.
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |



  8. #28
    Anthony
    Guest

    Default Re: master borders

    The galleries are there, via the Photos button on that home page. I only
    used 1 table, in the bottom border, so all the links line up, because they
    would be at different positions on different pages. Here is the direct link
    to the galleries page.

    http://www.chippeweb.com/newsite/html/gallery1.html

    How would you see a lot of tables when I only inserted the one?


    "LWD" <**lucdix**@**jam**dot*rr**dot**com> wrote in message
    news:e25mha$hbb1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | Hi, Anthony,
    |
    | Well, that page doesn't have a photo gallery, and the photo galleries seem
    | to be causing your problem, so that's why we're curious to see what they
    | might look like. But, as I say, just upload one with five or six photos.
    |
    | As far as the page you uploaded, what I see are a lot of extra table
    cells.
    | Fusion uses tables for positioning, but there are ways to keep the number
    of
    | tables down. A good way to see the structure visually is to use Firefox's
    | Developer Toolbar, which is available for free here:
    | http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/
    |
    | I'm attaching a screenshot of your page with the table cells outlined.
    |
    | I also was curious to know if you're using CSS (you are) and the dynamic
    | html setting, so those are both good starts. Much of what you did with
    your
    | original site using frames you can do far more easily with Fusion's master
    | borders, but I'd seriously look at using an external photo gallery myself.
    | Nevertheless, upload one so we can all take a look.
    |
    | Lucian
    |
    |
    | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    | news:e24e2r$dqt1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > Thanks. I uploaded some pages to
    | > http://www.chippeweb.com/newsite/index.html
    | > and this is basically what I want to do, with more personal pages, a
    guest
    | > book, and A LOT more photos. This is the same basic design I was
    using.
    | > I
    | > like this style. I created 4 galleries with about 20 or so photos each.
    | > All
    | > this worked fine.
    | >
    | > I appreciate all the help. Thank you.
    | >
    | > Incidentally, that site, I created about 7 years go with FP98.
    | >
    | > Anthony.
    | >
    | >
    | > "LWD" <**lucdix**@**jam**dot*rr**dot**com> wrote in message
    | > news:e247pv$cso4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > | Hi, Anthony,
    | > |
    | > | Well, I mentioned frames because your FrontPage site has them and I've
    | > found
    | > | that new Fusion users are often confused about master borders.
    | > |
    | > | If you upload a few pages, just put five or six images on them.
    They'll
    | > be
    | > | enough for us to get an idea what's going on.
    | > |
    | > | Lucian
    | > |
    | > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    | > | news:e2473f$csp5@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > | >I wasn't using frames - I added a few items to the MasterBorder , and
    | > even
    | > | > made a copy of the MasterBorder so I can change some objects on
    | > certain
    | > | > pages.
    | > | >
    | > | > I am going to rebuild a few of the pages and post them so I can show
    | > you
    | > | > what I am trying to accomplish.
    | > | >
    | > | > I appreciate all the effort everyone is extending to help me out.
    | > Thanks
    | > | > to
    | > | > everyone.
    | > | >
    | > | > "LWD" <**lucdix**@**jam**dot*rr**dot**com> wrote in message
    | > | > news:e23hep$8sk4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > | > | Something else just occurred to me since you're new to Fusion,
    | > Anthony.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | A lot of new Fusion users confuse frames with Master Borders.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | You can have
    | > | > | * frames without master borders
    | > | > | * master borders without frames, and
    | > | > | * master borders which are frames.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | Additionally, the term 'master border' is a bit confusing.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | The name would seem to imply that a 'master border' has to go all
    | > the
    | > | > way
    | > | > | through a site. But, in fact, a site can have as many 'master
    | > borders'
    | > | > as
    | > | > a
    | > | > | designer wants - e.g., a 'master border' for 'Work', a 'master
    | > border'
    | > | > for
    | > | > | 'My New House', a 'master border' for 'Friends', one for 'Family'
    | > etc.
    | > | > You
    | > | > | can put match any master border to any page and change it at any
    | > time.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | Think of 'master borders' as 'repeated elements' - which, in
    | > Fusion's
    | > | > case,
    | > | > | work on the four borders of a page, if you want, though you can
    have
    | > | > just
    | > | > | one side of a page be a master border.
    | > | > |
    | > | > | Lucian
    | > | > |
    | > | > |
    | > | > | "Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
    | > | > | news:e23446$7nb3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > | > | >I know I wasn't invited to this thread and probably should only
    | > post
    | > | > | >apologetically, but ...
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > FWIW, the "too large" is caused, apparently, by something going
    | > wrong
    | > | > with
    | > | > | > the Master Border. Changing the Master Border will usually, so
    | > far
    | > | > | > anyway, fix that situation. I had it happen to me when I had to
    | > | > recover
    | > | > a
    | > | > | > site from my server. First set the MB to zero margins, and then
    | > Add
    | > a
    | > | > new
    | > | > | > master border to use, and it worked fine. I also managed to
    | > repair
    | > | > the
    | > | > | > original master border that caused the problem, but I've
    forgotten
    | > | > right
    | > | > | > now how I did it.
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > <RANT>
    | > | > | > IMO version 8 & 9 have gone "buggy", thus I've stayed with 7
    | > because
    | > | > | > besides being the version I started with, perusing all of the
    ng's
    | > for
    | > | > 7
    | > | > | > thru 9. 7 appears by far the most stable. Luckily, the archives
    | > are
    | > | > | > retained, so I've been gratefulto have them. As much as I like
    | > | > Fusion,
    | > | > | > and agree that their db concept is a good one, I will not yet
    | > upgrade
    | > | > just
    | > | > | > because of the types of message contents in those groups.
    | > | > | > IMO it's unacceptable to say "Don't use Photo Gallery; use
    this
    | > | > other
    | > | > | > one instead." I -might- agree if this were a $40 app, but it's
    | > not.
    | > | > Even
    | > | > | > the upgrade prices are preposterously high, IMO. Therefore, it
    | > has
    | > to
    | > | > | > work as advertised. Considering the cost, Fusion is more than
    | > | > required
    | > | > to
    | > | > | > do what it says it does. Excuses without fixes forthcoming for
    | > free,
    | > | > are
    | > | > | > totally and completely unacceptable and not a way to do
    business.
    | > | > | > And I'll "neglect to mention" the initial fraud pulled on me
    | > with
    | > my
    | > | > | > first phoney "fully functional" and "free" version of Fusion 7,
    a
    | > | > "$149
    | > | > | > value" which couldn't be updated and couldn't be used to
    upgrade!
    | > Nor
    | > | > | > will I mention how, when trying to update or upgrade it, the
    | > program
    | > | > and
    | > | > | > the web site blamed everything but reality for WHY the
    | > upgrade/update
    | > | > | > failed to recognize my version.
    | > | > | > Yes, that caused me great frustration but I did like the app,
    | > and
    | > | > WSP
    | > | > | > finally let me have a copy of the "real" Fusion 7 for $40,but
    it's
    | > not
    | > | > | > something I will soon forget about, e.g. the bait & switch
    | > routine.
    | > | > | > UNfortunately I DO really like Fusion 7 (with its updates).
    | > | > | > </rant>
    | > | > | > "!
    | > | > | > For those reasons, I will, instead of upgrading, move to
    another
    | > | > | > application if/when I need more than version 7 can provide. IMO
    | > the
    | > | > app
    | > | > | > has reached a complexity beyond the ability of WSP et al to
    | > properly
    | > | > test,
    | > | > | > starting at Version 8, and yet continues to raise the cost with
    | > each
    | > | > | > succeeding rev.
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > Perhaps this answers some questions for the OP. Watch the post
    | > not
    | > | > make
    | > | > | > it to the board now.
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > Regards,
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > Pop
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | > "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    | > | > | > news:e22018$4o52@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > | > | >> Thanks for the suggestions. It's NOT operator error. I'm
    doing
    | > | > nothing
    | > | > | >> outside of creating pages and adding objects. I'm not advanced
    | > when
    | > | > it
    | > | > | >> comes
    | > | > | >> to web authoring. I frequently test and save when I know
    things
    | > are
    | > | > | >> working. The problem is going back to the project at a later
    time
    | > | > | >> produces
    | > | > | >> corrupted objects that get deleted. All Links being lost in
    menu
    | > | > boxes,
    | > | > | >> photos disappearing, objects suddenly being corrupted, etc.
    | > | > | >>
    | > | > | >> I tested again, and I now know for a fact, that after setting
    up
    | > a
    | > | > | >> gallery,
    | > | > | >> then going back in and changing the frame style is what caused
    | > all
    | > | > the
    | > | > | >> full
    | > | > | >> sized pictures to disappear. I tried it with the one good
    | > gallery
    | > | > page
    | > | > | >> that
    | > | > | >> remained, and went page by page in the album view, and all I
    saw
    | > was
    | > | > the
    | > | > | >> thumbnails instead of the full sized photos. I had hoped to
    use
    | > the
    | > | > | >> internal gallery creator so I could keep a consistent look
    across
    | > all
    | > | > my
    | > | > | >> pages.
    | > | > | >>
    | > | > | >> As for posting something, that's just it... I have NOTHING to
    | > post,
    | > | > | >> because
    | > | > | >> 3 times already I have lost what I've done.
    | > | > | >>
    | > | > | >> I uploaded my old Website, created with Front Page 98 to my
    | > webserver
    | > | > | >> www.chippeweb.com. This is basically what I want to do, with
    all
    | > | > those
    | > | > | >> photos, and more,and a few other things. FP was SO easy to work
    | > with,
    | > | > and
    | > | > | >> I
    | > | > | >> never had any of the problems I have here. However, with all
    the
    | > | > changes
    | > | > | >> MS
    | > | > | >> has made to IE the stuff I created with FP is next to useless.
    | > | > | >>
    | > | > | >> Perhaps it IS the photo galleries that's the problem, as that
    is
    | > what
    | > | > has
    | > | > | >> been giving me the most grief. However, what would I have
    | > possibly
    | > | > done
    | > | > | >> to
    | > | > | >> make Fusion refuse to open my Home Page for editing, greeting
    me
    | > with
    | > | > a
    | > | > | >> "page too large" error and telling me to open it in Win NT4?
    | > | > Publishing
    | > | > | >> the
    | > | > | >> site locally showed no sign of large fonts in the home page.
    | > There
    | > | > were
    | > | > | >> only
    | > | > | >> 2 text paragraphs, regular font size, the rollover menu on the
    | > left,
    | > | > the
    | > | > | >> banner, and a small photo of me in the top border.
    | > | > | >>
    | > | > | >>
    | > | > | >> "LWD" <**lucdix**@**jam**dot*rr**dot**com> wrote in message
    | > | > | >> news:e21ue1$4o51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    | > | > | >> | Hi, Anthony,
    | > | > | >> |
    | > | > | >> | Fusion's not a perfect program by any means, but when I read
    | > posts
    | > | > like
    | > | > | >> | yours, I can't help but feel it's 'operator error' - and
    please
    | > | > don't
    | > | > | >> take
    | > | > | >> | that the wrong way. I've been using Fusion for about 9
    years,
    | > I
    | > | > guess,
    | > | > | >> and
    | > | > | >> | I can't even remember the last time it crashed for any
    reason.
    | > So
    | > | > I
    | > | > | >> guess
    | > | > | >> | what I'm wondering is if you've tried to take things step by
    | > step -
    | > | > | >> saving
    | > | > | >> | templates as you go - and seeing what exactly is causing the
    | > | > crashes -
    | > | > | > ...
    | > | > | >
    | > | > | >
    | > | > |
    | > | > |
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
    |



  9. #29
    LWD
    Guest

    Default Re: More bugs?

    Hi, Nancy,

    I totally agree. I was not, however, recommending that Anthony put them all
    into one JAlbum file, however, but into separate albums set up by date or
    activity, whatever, keeping them external from Fusion, and linking to them.
    My albums always a link back to where I sent the site visitor from for easy
    return.

    L.

    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:e25pld$het1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Good grief. Please don't place 1500+ photos into one nod file. NOF
    > gallery
    > databases should be kept to just a few per nod file. I don't use more
    > than
    > 20-30 photos per gallery. 60 would be pushing the NOF limits. Perhaps
    > you
    > should look at jalbum which Lucian highly recommends. But even Jalbum has
    > limits, too.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:e247es$csp6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Thanks for the suggestion. I had already resized and optimized the

    > images.
    >> The total size for ALL of the photos I have so far is only 67.5
    >> MEGAbytes.

    > I
    >> have a total of 1,518 photos, which I had hoped to spread across the 25
    >> galleries. Most are sized to approx 320 pixels wide, and a few are 640
    >> pixels. Most files are less than 40K each.
    >>
    >> If you look at the galleries I created on my old website

    > www.chippeweb.com,
    >> these are all the same photos I was trying to add to gallery pages in
    >> Fusion.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    >> news:e238i0$87n4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> | Hi Anthony,
    >> | Welcome to the NOF newsgroup. I agree with Chuck and Lucian but would
    >> also
    >> | add this:
    >> |
    >> | Optimize those family photos in Photoshop or some other photo editing
    >> | program BEFORE inserting images into NOF. No web design program can
    >> handle
    >> | huge (5-8 megapixel) image libraries. Full size Photo Gallery images
    >> should
    >> | be compressed into 30-50 kb jpgs before you bring them into NOF,

    > otherwise
    >> | you are inviting disaster.
    >> |
    >> | Best of luck on your project,
    >> |
    >> | --Nancy
    >> |
    >> |
    >> | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> | news:e219ae$3g51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> | > Not to put anything down, as all software has bugs - but some of the
    >> | > problems I have seen in the 2 days I have used it are amazing.
    >> | >
    >> | > I need help .... OR A REFUND! (I have already requested one).
    >> | >
    >> | >
    >> | > 1) I spent about 2 hours getting my website together (a personal web
    >> | site).
    >> | > The main focus will be photos of family / friends. Anyway, after 2
    >> hours
    >> | of
    >> | > work, and about 4 or 5 pages completed, I tried to open the project
    >> again
    >> | > and am greeted with a message that invalid objects were found and

    > would
    >> be
    >> | > removed. I was told the operation was successful. The website was
    >> useless
    >> | > after this. I had to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
    >> | >
    >> | > 2) By this time, I was a bit more comfortable and was able to
    >> recreate
    >> the
    >> | > lost pages a bit more quickly. I tried to change some settings (I

    > forget
    >> | > where), and the program just lost focus, like there was a hidden

    > dialog
    >> | box
    >> | > somewhere, but none was visible, nothing in the task manager, no

    > button
    >> on
    >> | > the task bar. I couldn't click on anything in the window. When I

    > tried
    >> to
    >> | > click anywhere in the Fusion window I would get an error beep and the
    >> | window
    >> | > border would flash (exactly what happens when a dialog box is

    > displayed
    >> | and
    >> | > you try to click outside the dialog). I had to kill Fusion.
    >> | >
    >> | > 3) On next restart, I received a message that the site was corrupt
    >> and

    > a
    >> | > backup would be restored. It seemed to restore fine. By this time, I
    >> had
    >> | > about 30 incomplete pages in the website. I then discovered that a

    > menu
    >> | drop
    >> | > list I created with 25 items lost ALL the URLs I had pasted in. The

    > text
    >> | > labels were still there, but the URL boxes were blank. I had to go
    >> again,
    >> | > and click, ONE BY ONE, then reposition the properties window to get
    >> to
    >> the
    >> | > next item, on and on, for all 25 links.
    >> | >
    >> | > 4) I fixed that and saved the project. Then, when I tried to go to my
    >> home
    >> | > page to edit it, it would not let me open the home page. It said the
    >> page
    >> | > was too large and I needed to resize fonts in the associated style,
    >> OR
    >> | open
    >> | > it up in Windows NT 4 (HUH??????). The home page only had the usual
    >> | > rollover links in the border area and 2 paragraphs of text, and a

    > small
    >> | > picture. Funny - I could publish the site, and the home page was

    > fine -
    >> | no
    >> | > large fonts, and the home page was only 1K in size. So, I had to

    > create
    >> a
    >> | > new page, then drag it above the home page to make that my NEW home
    >> page,
    >> | > then delete the old home page.
    >> | >
    >> | > 5) This one really IRKS me to no end... I have created many photo
    >> gallery
    >> | > pages, and have completed 4 pages so far. When I created the pages, I
    >> | > resized the bottom border to just below the bottom of the thumbnails
    >> grid.
    >> | > However, Fusion INSISTS on creating A LOT of empty space after the
    >> end
    >> of
    >> | > the thumbnails. I have links in the bottom border of these pages, so

    > one
    >> | > would need to scroll all the way down to get to those links. No

    > matter
    >> | how
    >> | > many times I resize the height of the page, it always reverts to the

    > big
    >> | > empty space. If I resize the page, then preview the page, the blank
    >> space
    >> | is
    >> | > gone - until I view the page in the editor again. Why does it do
    >> this???
    >> | > And how do I get rid of the empty space?
    >> | >
    >> | > I have WinXP home - all updates (NOT IE 7), 3GB DDR RAM, 1 TB HD
    >> space
    >> (on
    >> | 2
    >> | > physical drives) about 600GB free space on drives. I would think the
    >> | > software would behave better than this.
    >> | >
    >> | > Any comments/suggestions/criticisms welcomed. Thank you.
    >> | >
    >> | >
    >> | >
    >> | >
    >> | >
    >> |
    >> |
    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  10. #30
    Walter Lauzon
    Guest

    Default Re: More bugs?

    Back to the "Damaged objects found ...", I've been having the same problem.
    The latest occurence was when I was doing a simple Order Form.
    Only had 2 images and a couple of lines of text when this happened.
    Unfortunately it not only wiped out my Order Form page, but any other page I
    tried to open.
    I've asked WSP to PLEASE remove that line of code from the program. To me,
    any error that might have occurred would be less damaging than their Error
    Handling routine that could wipe out the entire project!

    I won't even go into some of the other problems I've had with NOF 9.

    I started developing web sites with NotePad, so I know HTML.
    I've been using NOF since version 3, so I know NOF pretty well too.
    WSP should never have released this upgrade with all the bugs it has.
    I use Windows 2000. When testing a professional piece of software it must be
    done on more than a few operating systems.
    If I can't do in NOF 9 what I'm used to doing in NOF 8 without getting
    errors then something is wrong with NOF 9!

    JMHO.

    Walter


    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:e26gan$lm64@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Not overly complicated. If each project has it's own nod file, you can

    use
    > external links to the other sub sites. Divide now and conquer. It's much
    > easier to split the site initially than later on when it gets too clumsy

    to
    > work with.
    >
    > I was forced to use FP years ago and it had it's own set of problems which

    I
    > hated. It all comes down to what you feel most comfortable using. NOF is
    > wysiwyg and graphics intensive, same as adobe products. Even Dreamweaver
    > and GoLive have limits to how much they can store in a single web site

    file.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    >
    >
    > "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:e26dn1$lm71@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > I created a website with front page with this exact number of pictures

    and
    > > many other pages over 5 years ago. Fusion 9 is a more modern piece of
    > > software, I would think it should handle this just fine. After all,

    this
    > is
    > > a professional package, is it not?
    > >
    > > So I would be better off splitting the website up into different

    projects?
    > > Is it complicated to do it this way?
    > >
    > >
    > > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > > news:e25pld$het1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > | Good grief. Please don't place 1500+ photos into one nod file. NOF
    > > gallery
    > > | databases should be kept to just a few per nod file. I don't use more
    > > than
    > > | 20-30 photos per gallery. 60 would be pushing the NOF limits.

    Perhaps
    > > you
    > > | should look at jalbum which Lucian highly recommends. But even Jalbum

    > has
    > > | limits, too.
    > > |
    > > | --Nancy
    > > |
    > > |
    > > |
    > > |
    > > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > | news:e247es$csp6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > | > Thanks for the suggestion. I had already resized and optimized the
    > > | images.
    > > | > The total size for ALL of the photos I have so far is only 67.5
    > > MEGAbytes.
    > > | I
    > > | > have a total of 1,518 photos, which I had hoped to spread across the

    > 25
    > > | > galleries. Most are sized to approx 320 pixels wide, and a few are

    640
    > > | > pixels. Most files are less than 40K each.
    > > | >
    > > | > If you look at the galleries I created on my old website
    > > | www.chippeweb.com,
    > > | > these are all the same photos I was trying to add to gallery pages

    in
    > > | > Fusion.
    > > | >
    > > | >
    > > | > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > > | > news:e238i0$87n4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > | > | Hi Anthony,
    > > | > | Welcome to the NOF newsgroup. I agree with Chuck and Lucian but

    > would
    > > | > also
    > > | > | add this:
    > > | > |
    > > | > | Optimize those family photos in Photoshop or some other photo

    > editing
    > > | > | program BEFORE inserting images into NOF. No web design program

    can
    > > | > handle
    > > | > | huge (5-8 megapixel) image libraries. Full size Photo Gallery

    > images
    > > | > should
    > > | > | be compressed into 30-50 kb jpgs before you bring them into NOF,
    > > | otherwise
    > > | > | you are inviting disaster.
    > > | > |
    > > | > | Best of luck on your project,
    > > | > |
    > > | > | --Nancy
    > > | > |
    > > | > |
    > > | > | "Anthony" <chippe01NOSPAMNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > | > | news:e219ae$3g51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > | > | > Not to put anything down, as all software has bugs - but some of

    > the
    > > | > | > problems I have seen in the 2 days I have used it are amazing.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > I need help .... OR A REFUND! (I have already requested one).
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 1) I spent about 2 hours getting my website together (a personal

    > web
    > > | > | site).
    > > | > | > The main focus will be photos of family / friends. Anyway,

    after
    > 2
    > > | > hours
    > > | > | of
    > > | > | > work, and about 4 or 5 pages completed, I tried to open the

    > project
    > > | > again
    > > | > | > and am greeted with a message that invalid objects were found

    and
    > > | would
    > > | > be
    > > | > | > removed. I was told the operation was successful. The website

    was
    > > | > useless
    > > | > | > after this. I had to start ALL OVER AGAIN.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 2) By this time, I was a bit more comfortable and was able to
    > > recreate
    > > | > the
    > > | > | > lost pages a bit more quickly. I tried to change some settings

    (I
    > > | forget
    > > | > | > where), and the program just lost focus, like there was a hidden
    > > | dialog
    > > | > | box
    > > | > | > somewhere, but none was visible, nothing in the task manager, no
    > > | button
    > > | > on
    > > | > | > the task bar. I couldn't click on anything in the window. When

    I
    > > | tried
    > > | > to
    > > | > | > click anywhere in the Fusion window I would get an error beep

    and
    > > the
    > > | > | window
    > > | > | > border would flash (exactly what happens when a dialog box is
    > > | displayed
    > > | > | and
    > > | > | > you try to click outside the dialog). I had to kill Fusion.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 3) On next restart, I received a message that the site was

    corrupt
    > > and
    > > | a
    > > | > | > backup would be restored. It seemed to restore fine. By this

    > time,
    > > I
    > > | > had
    > > | > | > about 30 incomplete pages in the website. I then discovered that

    a
    > > | menu
    > > | > | drop
    > > | > | > list I created with 25 items lost ALL the URLs I had pasted in.

    > The
    > > | text
    > > | > | > labels were still there, but the URL boxes were blank. I had to

    > go
    > > | > again,
    > > | > | > and click, ONE BY ONE, then reposition the properties window to

    > get
    > > to
    > > | > the
    > > | > | > next item, on and on, for all 25 links.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 4) I fixed that and saved the project. Then, when I tried to go

    to
    > > my
    > > | > home
    > > | > | > page to edit it, it would not let me open the home page. It said

    > the
    > > | > page
    > > | > | > was too large and I needed to resize fonts in the associated

    > style,
    > > OR
    > > | > | open
    > > | > | > it up in Windows NT 4 (HUH??????). The home page only had the

    > usual
    > > | > | > rollover links in the border area and 2 paragraphs of text, and

    a
    > > | small
    > > | > | > picture. Funny - I could publish the site, and the home page

    was
    > > | fine -
    > > | > | no
    > > | > | > large fonts, and the home page was only 1K in size. So, I had

    to
    > > | create
    > > | > a
    > > | > | > new page, then drag it above the home page to make that my NEW

    > home
    > > | > page,
    > > | > | > then delete the old home page.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > 5) This one really IRKS me to no end... I have created many

    photo
    > > | > gallery
    > > | > | > pages, and have completed 4 pages so far. When I created the

    > pages,
    > > I
    > > | > | > resized the bottom border to just below the bottom of the

    > thumbnails
    > > | > grid.
    > > | > | > However, Fusion INSISTS on creating A LOT of empty space after

    the
    > > end
    > > | > of
    > > | > | > the thumbnails. I have links in the bottom border of these

    pages,
    > so
    > > | one
    > > | > | > would need to scroll all the way down to get to those links. No
    > > | matter
    > > | > | how
    > > | > | > many times I resize the height of the page, it always reverts to

    > the
    > > | big
    > > | > | > empty space. If I resize the page, then preview the page, the

    > blank
    > > | > space
    > > | > | is
    > > | > | > gone - until I view the page in the editor again. Why does it

    do
    > > | > this???
    > > | > | > And how do I get rid of the empty space?
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > I have WinXP home - all updates (NOT IE 7), 3GB DDR RAM, 1 TB HD
    > > space
    > > | > (on
    > > | > | 2
    > > | > | > physical drives) about 600GB free space on drives. I would

    think
    > > the
    > > | > | > software would behave better than this.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | > Any comments/suggestions/criticisms welcomed. Thank you.
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > | >
    > > | > |
    > > | > |
    > > | >
    > > | >
    > > |
    > > |
    > >
    > >

    >
    >




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