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  1. #1
    Michael Menard
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    Default Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    Hi!

    I use versioning with npower ot with fusion.

    Sometimes fusion crahes when exiting. so from that point on

    1. Fusion crashes with the project and can not be opend again
    2. Npower crashes
    3. all backups are crashing !!!!!!!!
    +#@€

    HEEEELP

  2. #2
    sandy@byuk.co.uk
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    In article <ek7qvr$ca32@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>,
    bulcar@ulteksystems.com says...
    > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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    >
    > Hello Mike.
    > I had something like that happen awhile ago. It scared the pants off =
    > me. But since changing to an updated version it was more stable =
    > (haven't tried THE latest yet). I do find it qwerky sometimes and it si =
    > hard to pinpoint the exact sequence of events.
    > Hang in it does work.
    >
    > Boris
    > "Michael Menard" <Michael.Menard@uni-klu.ac.at> wrote in message =
    > news:ek1j8n$j4810@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    > Hi!
    >
    > I use versioning with npower ot with fusion.
    >
    > Sometimes fusion crahes when exiting. so from that point on
    >
    > 1. Fusion crashes with the project and can not be opend again
    > 2. Npower crashes
    > 3. all backups are crashing !!!!!!!!
    > +#@=E2=82=AC
    >
    > HEEEELP



    If they just used zip files instead of whatever it is they use at least
    you could use zipfix or something or find tools to extract what was
    possible.

    I've hated nod files ever since fusion V4 lost masses of work the first
    time.

    WHY NOT ZIP guys - you know it makes sense ?

    sandy

  3. #3
    Boris
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    Hello Mike.
    I had something like that happen awhile ago. It scared the pants off me. But since changing to an updated version it was more stable (haven't tried THE latest yet). I do find it qwerky sometimes and it si hard to pinpoint the exact sequence of events.
    Hang in it does work.

    Boris
    "Michael Menard" <Michael.Menard@uni-klu.ac.at> wrote in message news:ek1j8n$j4810@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    Hi!

    I use versioning with npower ot with fusion.

    Sometimes fusion crahes when exiting. so from that point on

    1. Fusion crashes with the project and can not be opend again
    2. Npower crashes
    3. all backups are crashing !!!!!!!!
    +#@€

    HEEEELP

  4. #4
    Chuck BeyondFusion
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    A nod file is a proprietary database. Not a method of file compression.

    Fusion generates html code upon publishing. It doesn't store it in a
    compressed file.

    --
    Chuck Joslin
    BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    www.beyondfusion.com

    Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com

    <sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1fd27e7072f318a298969d@news.netobjects.co m...
    > In article <ek7qvr$ca32@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>,
    > bulcar@ulteksystems.com says...
    >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    >>
    >> ------=_NextPart_000_018B_01C70FEC.48D11930
    >> Content-Type: text/plain;
    >> charset="utf-8"
    >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    >>
    >> Hello Mike.
    >> I had something like that happen awhile ago. It scared the pants off =
    >> me. But since changing to an updated version it was more stable =
    >> (haven't tried THE latest yet). I do find it qwerky sometimes and it si
    >> =
    >> hard to pinpoint the exact sequence of events.
    >> Hang in it does work.
    >>
    >> Boris
    >> "Michael Menard" <Michael.Menard@uni-klu.ac.at> wrote in message =
    >> news:ek1j8n$j4810@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    >> Hi!
    >>
    >> I use versioning with npower ot with fusion.
    >>
    >> Sometimes fusion crahes when exiting. so from that point on
    >>
    >> 1. Fusion crashes with the project and can not be opend again
    >> 2. Npower crashes
    >> 3. all backups are crashing !!!!!!!!
    >> +#@=E2=82=AC
    >>
    >> HEEEELP

    >
    >
    > If they just used zip files instead of whatever it is they use at least
    > you could use zipfix or something or find tools to extract what was
    > possible.
    >
    > I've hated nod files ever since fusion V4 lost masses of work the first
    > time.
    >
    > WHY NOT ZIP guys - you know it makes sense ?
    >
    > sandy




  5. #5
    sandy@byuk.co.uk
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    In article <ek9r1a$jc52@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>,
    supportno@spambeyondfusion.com says...
    > A nod file is a proprietary database. Not a method of file compression.
    >
    > Fusion generates html code upon publishing. It doesn't store it in a
    > compressed file.
    >
    >


    And that is relevant to the problem or suggestion how?

    Scrap nod files and use zip.

    There is no reason not to and every reason to do so.

    sandy

  6. #6
    Gary W Dumbleton
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    Hi Sandy,

    Like Chuck said it is a database.

    The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files that
    you would zip.

    This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include the
    files.

    ..nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.

    Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
    database structure.

    Gary


    <sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1fd3f0325c595e1398969e@news.netobjects.co m...
    > In article <ek9r1a$jc52@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>,
    > supportno@spambeyondfusion.com says...
    >> A nod file is a proprietary database. Not a method of file compression.
    >>
    >> Fusion generates html code upon publishing. It doesn't store it in a
    >> compressed file.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > And that is relevant to the problem or suggestion how?
    >
    > Scrap nod files and use zip.
    >
    > There is no reason not to and every reason to do so.
    >
    > sandy




  7. #7
    sandy@byuk.co.uk
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    In article <ekdf0k$1ej4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>, gary@gwd.net
    says...
    > Hi Sandy,
    >
    > Like Chuck said it is a database.
    >
    > The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files that
    > you would zip.
    >
    > This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include the
    > files.
    >
    > .nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.
    >
    > Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
    > database structure.
    >
    > Gary
    >


    Nonsense.

    ..nod doesn't contain files?

    Ok so write the file as plain text and zip it.
    There is no excuse for not doing so.
    Its the simple approach, its the most recoverable approach, it's the most
    sensible approach.

    ..nod has repeatedly lost masses of data for many people. I've seen it
    here frequently & god only knows a newsgroup is always the tip of any
    iceberg.

    Continued use of .nod files should be untenable to everyone.

    sandy

  8. #8
    Chuck BeyondFusion
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    A nod IS a file. Once again.... It's a database, not a collection of files.

    As we've been trying to explain to you with apparently no success.

    You can debate the use of a code generation database if you wish, but
    zipping is certainly NOT the answer.

    --
    Chuck Joslin
    BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    www.beyondfusion.com

    Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com

    <sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1fd52aec60a2caa99896a0@news.netobjects.co m...
    > In article <ekdf0k$1ej4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>, gary@gwd.net
    > says...
    >> Hi Sandy,
    >>
    >> Like Chuck said it is a database.
    >>
    >> The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files that
    >> you would zip.
    >>
    >> This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include
    >> the
    >> files.
    >>
    >> .nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.
    >>
    >> Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
    >> database structure.
    >>
    >> Gary
    >>

    >
    > Nonsense.
    >
    > .nod doesn't contain files?
    >
    > Ok so write the file as plain text and zip it.
    > There is no excuse for not doing so.
    > Its the simple approach, its the most recoverable approach, it's the most
    > sensible approach.
    >
    > .nod has repeatedly lost masses of data for many people. I've seen it
    > here frequently & god only knows a newsgroup is always the tip of any
    > iceberg.
    >
    > Continued use of .nod files should be untenable to everyone.
    >
    > sandy




  9. #9
    Dave@Web by Design, Inc.
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    Sandy,

    I'm afraid your lack of understanding on this subject is showing. Until you
    understand what an NOD file is, why it's necessary, and that it's really a
    GOOD thing, debating the pro's and con's with you is pointless. Just like
    any database file, if it becomes corrupt there are big problems (which is
    why the application makes frequent backups). But my experience through the
    years is that the .NOD files are actually very stable (as long as you
    following basic application usage rules).

    You need to do a bit more research before you recommend that the whole
    underlying technology behind the NOF product be scrapped. It's part of what
    sets NOF apart from just an HTML editor.

    Dave


    <sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1fd52aec60a2caa99896a0@news.netobjects.co m...
    > In article <ekdf0k$1ej4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>, gary@gwd.net
    > says...
    >> Hi Sandy,
    >>
    >> Like Chuck said it is a database.
    >>
    >> The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files that
    >> you would zip.
    >>
    >> This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include
    >> the
    >> files.
    >>
    >> .nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.
    >>
    >> Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
    >> database structure.
    >>
    >> Gary
    >>

    >
    > Nonsense.
    >
    > .nod doesn't contain files?
    >
    > Ok so write the file as plain text and zip it.
    > There is no excuse for not doing so.
    > Its the simple approach, its the most recoverable approach, it's the most
    > sensible approach.
    >
    > .nod has repeatedly lost masses of data for many people. I've seen it
    > here frequently & god only knows a newsgroup is always the tip of any
    > iceberg.
    >
    > Continued use of .nod files should be untenable to everyone.
    >
    > sandy




  10. #10
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

    If you Export site to Template, you get a zip file of the nod (database),
    styles and assets used in your site.

    When catastrophe strikes, a user can generally create a new site in NOF
    based on their template zip in about 60 seconds. Problem is most new users
    don't see the need for templates until it's too late. I think NOF should
    prompt users to Export Sites to Templates every time a nod file is closed
    (with an option to turn off the alert in site settings, of course).

    --Nancy


    <sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1fd52aec60a2caa99896a0@news.netobjects.co m...
    > In article <ekdf0k$1ej4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>, gary@gwd.net
    > says...
    > > Hi Sandy,
    > >
    > > Like Chuck said it is a database.
    > >
    > > The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files

    that
    > > you would zip.
    > >
    > > This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include

    the
    > > files.
    > >
    > > .nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.
    > >
    > > Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
    > > database structure.
    > >
    > > Gary
    > >

    >
    > Nonsense.
    >
    > .nod doesn't contain files?
    >
    > Ok so write the file as plain text and zip it.
    > There is no excuse for not doing so.
    > Its the simple approach, its the most recoverable approach, it's the most
    > sensible approach.
    >
    > .nod has repeatedly lost masses of data for many people. I've seen it
    > here frequently & god only knows a newsgroup is always the tip of any
    > iceberg.
    >
    > Continued use of .nod files should be untenable to everyone.
    >
    > sandy




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