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  1. #1
    iamblessed
    Guest

    Default Version 10 rant

    Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
    haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're expected to
    "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable' version, with
    no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business practice!! It would be
    nice to get some kind of discount for only having this program 5 months - or
    maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much to expect!!


    Need Help for Health ? ? ?
    Go Here ....
    http://www.All4urHealth.com



  2. #2
    NetObjects Support
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    Hi
    As you may have noticed we just released the 9.1 update which included many
    new features and not only bug fixes. Like all of our updates, these are free
    updates even when they include new features and functionality. Although we
    hope you will upgrade to version 10 at some point, we do not abandon support
    for the previous version when we release a new version of the product. We
    encourage our users to upgrade when they are ready to do so and the latest
    release of the product contains features and functionality they desire. Some
    will choose to do so immediately, others at a later time, and there will be
    a few that wait until the next version. This is the choice of the user. If
    you have any questions or in need of support I encourage you to contact our
    support department or utilize the many additional support options of the
    community (such as the knowledgebase or these wonderful newsgroups etc). You
    will find an very loyal community that is always more than willing to help
    no matter what version you are using.

    Thanks
    Scott

    "iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
    news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
    > haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're expected
    > to "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable' version,
    > with no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business practice!! It
    > would be nice to get some kind of discount for only having this program 5
    > months - or maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much to expect!!
    >
    >
    > Need Help for Health ? ? ?
    > Go Here ....
    > http://www.All4urHealth.com
    >




  3. #3
    Ali
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    I think it is a matter of record that I threw a big snit at 8 and had barely
    calmed down by nine. Ten has come as a bit of a shock. It is very different
    and it includes a lot of very useful free programs. I haven't checked out
    everything. I keep hoping for things I know aren't there. But so far I am
    impressed by improvements to the interface.



    "Kathy" <tricitypsychology@shawbiz.ca> wrote in message
    news:eki7qb$io414@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    > For what its worth I have been reasonably happy with version 9, I will
    > upgrade to 10 but will take the time to learn the new version before
    > testing it on my live site. I know a lot of my "issues" were with my own
    > learning curve . This is a great forum and many who contribute show great
    > patience and knowledge with the "learners" such as me.
    > There are great additional support sites out there also eg beyondfusion,
    > and gotfusion. like you I had bought 8 just befroe they brought out
    > version 9... but I was also aware of the new version in development. The
    > cost of the Fusion is a fraction of the all time greats for developing web
    > sites ... Dreamweaver, Fireworks etc.even when you have to pay to upgrade
    > it
    > ..... and like the saying goes you can please some of the people some if
    > the time.....
    > Kathy
    > www.tricitypsychology.com
    >
    >
    > "iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
    > news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
    >> haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're expected
    >> to "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable'
    >> version, with no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business
    >> practice!! It would be nice to get some kind of discount for only having
    >> this program 5 months - or maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much to
    >> expect!!
    >>
    >>
    >> Need Help for Health ? ? ?
    >> Go Here ....
    >> http://www.All4urHealth.com
    >>

    >
    >




  4. #4
    Kathy
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    For what its worth I have been reasonably happy with version 9, I will
    upgrade to 10 but will take the time to learn the new version before testing
    it on my live site. I know a lot of my "issues" were with my own learning
    curve . This is a great forum and many who contribute show great patience
    and knowledge with the "learners" such as me.
    There are great additional support sites out there also eg beyondfusion,
    and gotfusion. like you I had bought 8 just befroe they brought out version
    9... but I was also aware of the new version in development. The cost of
    the Fusion is a fraction of the all time greats for developing web sites ...
    Dreamweaver, Fireworks etc.even when you have to pay to upgrade it
    ...... and like the saying goes you can please some of the people some if the
    time.....
    Kathy
    www.tricitypsychology.com


    "iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
    news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
    > haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're expected
    > to "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable' version,
    > with no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business practice!! It
    > would be nice to get some kind of discount for only having this program 5
    > months - or maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much to expect!!
    >
    >
    > Need Help for Health ? ? ?
    > Go Here ....
    > http://www.All4urHealth.com
    >




  5. #5
    the other Chuck
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    I am..

    Why boycott, you're not obligated to make the upgrade, and v9.1 is a very
    stable and reliable product for developing sites. From what I've noticed,
    support from NOF has never been better. Much more participation in these
    forums. Take a look at the v8 forums. Folks with that revision are still
    getting help as well.

    If v10 offers many new options that, if you think will be of benefit, are
    well worth the price. The cost of an upgrade can probably be quickly
    recouped with time and functionality improvements. If not interested you
    still have a great product with an option to get more functionality in the
    future when you think you'll need it.

    I for one, based on what I've seen from the beta efforts, am more enthused
    for the future of Fusion than at any time in recent memory.

    ...... also blessed !



    "iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
    news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
    > haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're expected

    to
    > "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable' version,

    with
    > no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business practice!! It would be
    > nice to get some kind of discount for only having this program 5 months -

    or
    > maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much to expect!!
    >
    >
    > Need Help for Health ? ? ?
    > Go Here ....
    > http://www.All4urHealth.com
    >
    >






  6. #6
    Peter Phelan
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    I agree and have just upgraded. Early days of course but it looks good; I
    really like the smart new interface.

    And feel the upgrade price is very reasonable - about the same as filling my
    car up with gas! <s> .... but then I am in the UK! <s>

    Peter
    www.prophoto-international.com

    On Wed, Nov 29 2006 1:43 am, "the other Chuck" <chuckv@NOSPAMvalentinetool.com> said:
    >I am..
    >
    >Why boycott, you're not obligated to make the upgrade, and v9.1 is a very
    >stable and reliable product for developing sites. From what I've noticed,
    >support from NOF has never been better. Much more participation in these
    >forums. Take a look at the v8 forums. Folks with that revision are still
    >getting help as well.
    >
    >If v10 offers many new options that, if you think will be of benefit, are
    >well worth the price. The cost of an upgrade can probably be quickly
    >recouped with time and functionality improvements. If not interested you
    >still have a great product with an option to get more functionality in the
    >future when you think you'll need it.
    >
    >I for one, based on what I've seen from the beta efforts, am more enthused
    >for the future of Fusion than at any time in recent memory.
    >
    >..... also blessed !
    >
    >
    >
    >"iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
    >news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    >> Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
    >> haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're expected

    >to
    >> "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable' version,

    >with
    >> no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business practice!! It would be
    >> nice to get some kind of discount for only having this program 5 months -

    >or
    >> maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much to expect!!
    >>
    >>
    >> Need Help for Health ? ? ?
    >> Go Here ....
    >> http://www.All4urHealth.com
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >




  7. #7
    Mick Pattison
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    Hi,

    Having upgraded from NOF 8 I was disappointed to find (after migrating my
    site to NOF 9) that the 'GoTo URL' function failed to work. Although this is
    reported as being fixed in NOF 9.1, I find there are problems relating to
    the preview/publishing of the background in this upgrade. Despite being
    reported and frequently discussed there appears to be no progress on this
    issue.

    Yes, this issue may be addressed in NOF 10 but this upgrade will personally
    involve a total system migration (hardware and applications) to XP.
    Considering the cost of a hardware package and replacement legal software
    this is hardly a financially viable proposition. OK my system may be
    considered old when compared to the cutting edge, but it still all works and
    does exactly as I want (with the exception of NOF 9.1 publishing the
    background) so at present I see no reason to replace my system.

    All things considered I accept I am a small fish in the pond and probably
    don't use all the functions of NOF but please can we fix what's broken
    before adding more bells and whistles. Thanks

    Mick

    "NetObjects Support" <support@netobjects.com> wrote in message
    news:ekii3a$k204@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Hi
    > As you may have noticed we just released the 9.1 update which included
    > many new features and not only bug fixes. Like all of our updates, these
    > are free updates even when they include new features and functionality.
    > Although we hope you will upgrade to version 10 at some point, we do not
    > abandon support for the previous version when we release a new version of
    > the product. We encourage our users to upgrade when they are ready to do
    > so and the latest release of the product contains features and
    > functionality they desire. Some will choose to do so immediately, others
    > at a later time, and there will be a few that wait until the next version.
    > This is the choice of the user. If you have any questions or in need of
    > support I encourage you to contact our support department or utilize the
    > many additional support options of the community (such as the
    > knowledgebase or these wonderful newsgroups etc). You will find an very
    > loyal community that is always more than willing to help no matter what
    > version you are using.
    >
    > Thanks
    > Scott
    >
    > "iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
    > news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
    >> haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're expected
    >> to "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable'
    >> version, with no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business
    >> practice!! It would be nice to get some kind of discount for only having
    >> this program 5 months - or maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much to
    >> expect!!
    >>
    >>
    >> Need Help for Health ? ? ?
    >> Go Here ....
    >> http://www.All4urHealth.com
    >>

    >
    >




  8. #8
    Allison Moore
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    > but please can we fix what's broken
    > before adding more bells and whistles. Thanks


    This has been my plea for every app I've ever used, not just
    NOF. :-) To date, it's gone largely unheeded.

    Unfortunately, people don't pay for bug fixes (or at least
    they don't want to). And reviewers and pundits don't care
    about bug fixes. They only care about bells & whistles.
    Nevertheless, it costs a lot of time and money to fix
    things. I know -- I work for a software company.) There's a
    constant push-pull between fixes and new development,
    between the need to clean up your messes and the need to pay
    your employees.

    Am I letting Website Pros off the hook? Absolutely not. But
    it helps to bait the hook with a little compassion and
    understanding. :-)

    Allison



  9. #9
    Mick Pattison
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    OK, there may be a conflict between development and fixes but they broke it
    on two counts through the release of 9.0 and the 9.1 fix. As a customer who
    purchased the software (NOF 9.0) surely I am entitled to a product that
    works the same as the previously installed (NOF 8.0), or to put it another
    way fixes should correct errors in the bells and whistles of 9.0 and not
    what was broken by the implementation of the upgrade. What guarantee have I
    got that if I upgraded my system so that NOF 10 can be installed it will
    work as NOF 8 did or NOF 9.0/9.1 should have.

    Mick

    "Allison Moore" <dumpALLISONlowercase@forgetMETAthisHEALTHand.CO M> wrote in
    message news:A921.1164839700.1001@gfwebforum.com...
    >> but please can we fix what's broken before adding more bells and
    >> whistles. Thanks

    >
    > This has been my plea for every app I've ever used, not just NOF. :-) To
    > date, it's gone largely unheeded.
    >
    > Unfortunately, people don't pay for bug fixes (or at least they don't want
    > to). And reviewers and pundits don't care about bug fixes. They only care
    > about bells & whistles. Nevertheless, it costs a lot of time and money to
    > fix things. I know -- I work for a software company.) There's a constant
    > push-pull between fixes and new development, between the need to clean up
    > your messes and the need to pay your employees.
    >
    > Am I letting Website Pros off the hook? Absolutely not. But it helps to
    > bait the hook with a little compassion and understanding. :-)
    >
    > Allison
    >
    >




  10. #10
    Gary W Dumbleton
    Guest

    Default Re: Version 10 rant

    Hi Mike,

    If you bought a new car, is there any guarantee that the new one will
    perform as trouble free as the old one?

    I think this is very subjective.

    NOF 10 is quite a change from NOF 9.1, with many new features, many new ways
    to do things, complete redo of the user interface, new flash components, new
    flash photo gallery, complete control over css and lots more. I would guess
    that with the addition of all of the new features, while keeping
    compatibility with old features and the integration of all of these, there
    is always a chance that there will be bugs. (This is not reserved for NOF or
    WSP, why do you think that Microsoft puts out weekly updates to Windows and
    I bet no-one will be guaranteeing that Vista will be as good or better than
    XP - another topic)

    I do not know whether you have been observing WSP lately. I sure have, both
    as a user and as a beta tester, and they seem to be very dedicated to the
    development of NOF. One big step was that NOF now generates valid code, a
    very large step for NOF.

    With the major changes in this version, I am sure, will come some bugs, but
    rest assured that WSP will be on top of it by releasing updates in a timely
    fashion.

    I have never felt so good about NOF.

    The development team, is very serious about producing a problem free, full
    featured, website development tool, the beta testers are working very hard
    to identify and duplicate possible bugs, WPS is also working hard to remedy
    any bugs that have been found.

    Guarantee no! but hard work and dedication to attain a state of the art
    development tool, I would say so.

    Just my 2 cents worth.

    Gary




    "Mick Pattison" <mick.pattison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:ekmhba$3s67@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > OK, there may be a conflict between development and fixes but they broke
    > it on two counts through the release of 9.0 and the 9.1 fix. As a customer
    > who purchased the software (NOF 9.0) surely I am entitled to a product
    > that works the same as the previously installed (NOF 8.0), or to put it
    > another way fixes should correct errors in the bells and whistles of 9.0
    > and not what was broken by the implementation of the upgrade. What
    > guarantee have I got that if I upgraded my system so that NOF 10 can be
    > installed it will work as NOF 8 did or NOF 9.0/9.1 should have.
    >
    > Mick
    >
    > "Allison Moore" <dumpALLISONlowercase@forgetMETAthisHEALTHand.CO M> wrote
    > in message news:A921.1164839700.1001@gfwebforum.com...
    >>> but please can we fix what's broken before adding more bells and
    >>> whistles. Thanks

    >>
    >> This has been my plea for every app I've ever used, not just NOF. :-) To
    >> date, it's gone largely unheeded.
    >>
    >> Unfortunately, people don't pay for bug fixes (or at least they don't
    >> want to). And reviewers and pundits don't care about bug fixes. They only
    >> care about bells & whistles. Nevertheless, it costs a lot of time and
    >> money to fix things. I know -- I work for a software company.) There's a
    >> constant push-pull between fixes and new development, between the need to
    >> clean up your messes and the need to pay your employees.
    >>
    >> Am I letting Website Pros off the hook? Absolutely not. But it helps to
    >> bait the hook with a little compassion and understanding. :-)
    >>
    >> Allison
    >>
    >>

    >
    >




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