Version 10 rant

[Mick Pattison]

To continue your car comparison. No, there is no guarantee but I'm sure the
individual components will still function as those of the original!!!!!!

Mick (I only want what I brought to work)

"Gary W Dumbleton" <gary@gwd.net> wrote in message
news:ekmihu$4hc5@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Hi Mike,
>
> If you bought a new car, is there any guarantee that the new one will
> perform as trouble free as the old one?
>
> I think this is very subjective.
>
> NOF 10 is quite a change from NOF 9.1, with many new features, many new
> ways to do things, complete redo of the user interface, new flash
> components, new flash photo gallery, complete control over css and lots
> more. I would guess that with the addition of all of the new features,
> while keeping compatibility with old features and the integration of all
> of these, there is always a chance that there will be bugs. (This is not
> reserved for NOF or WSP, why do you think that Microsoft puts out weekly
> updates to Windows and I bet no-one will be guaranteeing that Vista will
> be as good or better than XP - another topic)
>
> I do not know whether you have been observing WSP lately. I sure have,
> both as a user and as a beta tester, and they seem to be very dedicated to
> the development of NOF. One big step was that NOF now generates valid
> code, a very large step for NOF.
>
> With the major changes in this version, I am sure, will come some bugs,
> but rest assured that WSP will be on top of it by releasing updates in a
> timely fashion.
>
> I have never felt so good about NOF.
>
> The development team, is very serious about producing a problem free, full
> featured, website development tool, the beta testers are working very hard
> to identify and duplicate possible bugs, WPS is also working hard to
> remedy any bugs that have been found.
>
> Guarantee no! but hard work and dedication to attain a state of the art
> development tool, I would say so.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
> "Mick Pattison" <mick.pattison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ekmhba$3s67@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> OK, there may be a conflict between development and fixes but they broke
>> it on two counts through the release of 9.0 and the 9.1 fix. As a
>> customer who purchased the software (NOF 9.0) surely I am entitled to a
>> product that works the same as the previously installed (NOF 8.0), or to
>> put it another way fixes should correct errors in the bells and whistles
>> of 9.0 and not what was broken by the implementation of the upgrade. What
>> guarantee have I got that if I upgraded my system so that NOF 10 can be
>> installed it will work as NOF 8 did or NOF 9.0/9.1 should have.
>>
>> Mick
>>
>> "Allison Moore" <dumpALLISONlowercase@forgetMETAthisHEALTHand.CO M> wrote
>> in message news:A921.1164839700.1001@gfwebforum.com...
>>>> but please can we fix what's broken before adding more bells and
>>>> whistles. Thanks
>>>
>>> This has been my plea for every app I've ever used, not just NOF. :-) To
>>> date, it's gone largely unheeded.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, people don't pay for bug fixes (or at least they don't
>>> want to). And reviewers and pundits don't care about bug fixes. They
>>> only care about bells & whistles. Nevertheless, it costs a lot of time
>>> and money to fix things. I know -- I work for a software company.)
>>> There's a constant push-pull between fixes and new development, between
>>> the need to clean up your messes and the need to pay your employees.
>>>
>>> Am I letting Website Pros off the hook? Absolutely not. But it helps to
>>> bait the hook with a little compassion and understanding. :-)
>>>
>>> Allison
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[iamblessed]

I guess I stepped on a nerve here... I didn't mean to stir up anything, but
I must say this has been entertaining and helpful. I didn't think this would
go on so long. Thanks to all... One last point: After all the 'buttering
up' I still feel left out for 'support', which I have been trying to get
since 14 Nov, to no avail. Maybe I'll have to upgrade and pray that these
[present] problems have been solved... Thanks again


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"iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .

[LBA]

Brian, I think you are correct. This is the one. Even if it's not done
yet, this version shows that a lot of development has taken place and
implies that there is much more to come.

Laurence

Brian H wrote:

> Boycott with your wallet if you must. WSP hasn't gotten a dime out of
> me since 7.5 - which I am still completely happy with. But, Martha, I
> think this might be the one!
>
> A great many of us know how you feel. WSP are consistent if nothing
> else though. I had only paid for 7.x a few months before 8 came out,
> and boy was I ever sorry I paid for that one! Feedback on it in these
> groups was so bad so early tht I never even installed it.
>
> Drop an extra lump of sugar in your tea and drink it. The pain will
> fade away eventually.
>
>
> BrianH
>
> iamblessed wrote:
>
>> Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects??
>> I haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're
>> expected to "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an
>> 'unstable' version, with no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical
>> business practice!! It would be nice to get some kind of discount for
>> only having this program 5 months - or maybe I could have been
>> 'warned'?? Too much to expect!!
>>
>>
>> Need Help for Health ? ? ?
>> Go Here ....
>> http://www.All4urHealth.com
>>

[Brian H]

Boycott with your wallet if you must. WSP hasn't gotten a dime out of
me since 7.5 - which I am still completely happy with. But, Martha, I
think this might be the one!

A great many of us know how you feel. WSP are consistent if nothing
else though. I had only paid for 7.x a few months before 8 came out,
and boy was I ever sorry I paid for that one! Feedback on it in these
groups was so bad so early tht I never even installed it.

Drop an extra lump of sugar in your tea and drink it. The pain will
fade away eventually.


BrianH

iamblessed wrote:
> Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
> haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're expected to
> "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable' version, with
> no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business practice!! It would be
> nice to get some kind of discount for only having this program 5 months - or
> maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much to expect!!
>
>
> Need Help for Health ? ? ?
> Go Here ....
> http://www.All4urHealth.com
>
>

[Brian H]

Well said, Chuck (the other one).

It seems like forever ago that I said somewhere that I would not
complain if WSP surprised me and turned out a really great product value
in the next release. Although I'm too leery to actually buy it and
install it at this early point (.0), I am watching "with interest"

Kudos WSP: you've done something pretty cool.

BrianH

the other Chuck wrote:
> I am..
>
> Why boycott, you're not obligated to make the upgrade, and v9.1 is a very
> stable and reliable product for developing sites. From what I've noticed,
> support from NOF has never been better. Much more participation in these
> forums. Take a look at the v8 forums. Folks with that revision are still
> getting help as well.
....>
> I for one, based on what I've seen from the beta efforts, am more enthused
> for the future of Fusion than at any time in recent memory.

[Ian]

Don't understand why you are forced to go to XP. NOF10 appears to run very
well on W2K. What are you running?

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"Mick Pattison" <mick.pattison@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ekktrm$seh6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Hi,
>
> Having upgraded from NOF 8 I was disappointed to find (after migrating my
> site to NOF 9) that the 'GoTo URL' function failed to work. Although this
is
> reported as being fixed in NOF 9.1, I find there are problems relating to
> the preview/publishing of the background in this upgrade. Despite being
> reported and frequently discussed there appears to be no progress on this
> issue.
>
> Yes, this issue may be addressed in NOF 10 but this upgrade will
personally
> involve a total system migration (hardware and applications) to XP.
> Considering the cost of a hardware package and replacement legal software
> this is hardly a financially viable proposition. OK my system may be
> considered old when compared to the cutting edge, but it still all works
and
> does exactly as I want (with the exception of NOF 9.1 publishing the
> background) so at present I see no reason to replace my system.
>
> All things considered I accept I am a small fish in the pond and probably
> don't use all the functions of NOF but please can we fix what's broken
> before adding more bells and whistles. Thanks
>
> Mick
>
> "NetObjects Support" <support@netobjects.com> wrote in message
> news:ekii3a$k204@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> > Hi
> > As you may have noticed we just released the 9.1 update which included
> > many new features and not only bug fixes. Like all of our updates, these
> > are free updates even when they include new features and functionality.
> > Although we hope you will upgrade to version 10 at some point, we do not
> > abandon support for the previous version when we release a new version
of
> > the product. We encourage our users to upgrade when they are ready to do
> > so and the latest release of the product contains features and
> > functionality they desire. Some will choose to do so immediately, others
> > at a later time, and there will be a few that wait until the next
version.
> > This is the choice of the user. If you have any questions or in need of
> > support I encourage you to contact our support department or utilize the
> > many additional support options of the community (such as the
> > knowledgebase or these wonderful newsgroups etc). You will find an very
> > loyal community that is always more than willing to help no matter what
> > version you are using.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Scott
> >
> > "iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
> > news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> >> Is there some way to stage a 'boycott', or something, of NetObjects?? I
> >> haven't had V9 long enough to get all the bugs fixed! Now we're
expected
> >> to "upgrade"?? Hello... And now we are 'stuck' with an 'unstable'
> >> version, with no support?? That sure isn't good/ethical business
> >> practice!! It would be nice to get some kind of discount for only
having
> >> this program 5 months - or maybe I could have been 'warned'?? Too much
to
> >> expect!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Need Help for Health ? ? ?
> >> Go Here ....
> >> http://www.All4urHealth.com
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Nancy O]

I'm not sure what unsolved problems you have but you certainly should not
have to upgrade to get product support. Open a ticket at the NOF web site
and keep bugging them.

Update your newsgroup list and check out the NOF10 groups to see what users
are saying about it.

--Nancy




"iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
news:ekoa9d$9rb16@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
> I guess I stepped on a nerve here... I didn't mean to stir up anything,
but
> I must say this has been entertaining and helpful. I didn't think this
would
> go on so long. Thanks to all... One last point: After all the
'buttering
> up' I still feel left out for 'support', which I have been trying to get
> since 14 Nov, to no avail. Maybe I'll have to upgrade and pray that these
> [present] problems have been solved... Thanks again
>
>
> Need Help for Health ? ? ?
> Go Here ....
> http://www.All4urHealth.com
> "iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:ekht8i$ibv1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>
>

[iamblessed]

My unsolved problem [since 14 Nov] was/is the entry:
"Lower border floats' 11/25/2006"
See 'updated' screenshots attached...
Note: The last time I heard from "Support" was: Wednesday, November 29,
2006 4:57 AM
[NetObjects Fusion #EFP-54500-735]: Unstable page
Any help would be appreciated...


"Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:ekps33$ft38@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> I'm not sure what unsolved problems you have but you certainly should not
> have to upgrade to get product support. Open a ticket at the NOF web site
> and keep bugging them.
>
> Update your newsgroup list and check out the NOF10 groups to see what
> users
> are saying about it.
>
> --Nancy
>

[Anton Strauss]

what happens if you untick centre in browser? and type <center> at beginning
of body and </center> at end of body

--


Anton Strauss
www.videoproductions.com.au



"iamblessed" <choose_health@telus.net> wrote in message
news:el0g2u$8lq1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> My unsolved problem [since 14 Nov] was/is the entry:
> "Lower border floats' 11/25/2006"
> See 'updated' screenshots attached...
> Note: The last time I heard from "Support" was: Wednesday, November 29,
> 2006 4:57 AM
> [NetObjects Fusion #EFP-54500-735]: Unstable page
> Any help would be appreciated...

[iamblessed]

Thanks Anton, but there is no layout area, hence no where to install
<center></center>. These are separate text boxes with javascript, on upload.
I've changed the page and substituted other text boxes. The page is still
not stable. My website [below] shows how 'this' page [lower border] still
floats, but I'll just have to live with it, I guess. [Still no help from
support!!]

Health for Families
http://www.All4urHealth.com


"Anton Strauss" <anton@will-not-reply.com> wrote in message
news:el0icb$b3o1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> what happens if you untick centre in browser? and type <center> at
> beginning
> of body and </center> at end of body
>
> --
>
>
> Anton Strauss
> www.videoproductions.com.au
>