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  1. #1
    Jeff Gaines
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    Default NOF9 Freezing While Uploading Files


    I have found that NOF9 freezes while uploading a linked pdf file of 20MB.
    I can upload the file to the site using an FTP client so I don't think it
    is a restriction put in place by the host.

    It happens when the page the file is linked from is updated and NOF9 wants
    to upload the file again, even though it hasn't changed (I have ticked
    'Only changed items').

    Anybody come across this? I have changed the site layout for now to avoid
    it happening so often but it is a PITA!

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  2. #2
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: NOF9 Freezing While Uploading Files

    On 20 Jun 2008 09:07:22 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    > I have found that NOF9 freezes while uploading a linked pdf file of 20MB.
    > I can upload the file to the site using an FTP client so I don't think it
    > is a restriction put in place by the host.
    >
    > It happens when the page the file is linked from is updated and NOF9 wants
    > to upload the file again, even though it hasn't changed (I have ticked
    > 'Only changed items').
    >
    > Anybody come across this? I have changed the site layout for now to avoid
    > it happening so often but it is a PITA!


    Jeff,

    It has always been "best practice" where NOF and large files of any sort
    are concerned to just upload them with an external FTP program and link to
    them in NOF.

    The new V11 FTP client seems to be the best yet, but prior versions were
    less than optimal.

    Plus uploading externally and linking to the files gets you around the
    whole issue of times when you'd like to do a "Publish All" in your site and
    don't want to wait for lots of big files to be needlessly uploaded again by
    NOF.

    Does that help?

    Charles


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  3. #3
    Jeff Gaines
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    Default Re: NOF9 Freezing While Uploading Files

    On 20/06/2008 in message <19k6l7mde6fa0.11zzy0lv9orqr.dlg@40tude.net>
    Charles Edmonds wrote:

    >It has always been "best practice" where NOF and large files of any sort
    >are concerned to just upload them with an external FTP program and link to
    >them in NOF.
    >
    >The new V11 FTP client seems to be the best yet, but prior versions were
    >less than optimal.
    >
    >Plus uploading externally and linking to the files gets you around the
    >whole issue of times when you'd like to do a "Publish All" in your site and
    >don't want to wait for lots of big files to be needlessly uploaded again by
    >NOF.
    >
    >Does that help?


    Yes it does, thank you :-)

    I am trying to get into the habit of publishing locally and using an FTP
    app to upload from the local copy.

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  4. #4
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: NOF9 Freezing While Uploading Files

    On 20 Jun 2008 11:55:48 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    > Yes it does, thank you :-)


    Your welcome!

    > I am trying to get into the habit of publishing locally and using an FTP
    > app to upload from the local copy.


    A lot of folks do that (especially with external files such as PDF or
    photos, etc).

    Sometimes it is just easier to manage "outside".

    ;-)

    Charles


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  5. #5
    Peter Eisenburger
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    Default Re: NOF9 Freezing While Uploading Files

    Charles Edmonds wrote:
    >
    > Jeff,
    >
    > It has always been "best practice" where NOF and large files of any sort
    > are concerned to just upload them with an external FTP program and link to
    > them in NOF.


    Why "best practice"?

    I upload large projects with the NOF-built in FTP-client since version 2
    on a daily basis. But I had to change providers for that - about 10
    years ago. It seems it is depended on the configuration or operating
    system of the server.

    I would see uploading "manually" from an external FTP-client as very
    tedious.

    Peter


    >
    > The new V11 FTP client seems to be the best yet, but prior versions were
    > less than optimal.
    >
    > Plus uploading externally and linking to the files gets you around the
    > whole issue of times when you'd like to do a "Publish All" in your site and
    > don't want to wait for lots of big files to be needlessly uploaded again by
    > NOF.
    >
    > Does that help?
    >
    > Charles
    >
    >


  6. #6
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: NOF9 Freezing While Uploading Files

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:29:45 +0200, Peter Eisenburger wrote:


    >> It has always been "best practice" where NOF and large files of any sort
    >> are concerned to just upload them with an external FTP program and link to
    >> them in NOF.

    >
    > Why "best practice"?
    >
    > I upload large projects with the NOF-built in FTP-client since version 2
    > on a daily basis. But I had to change providers for that - about 10
    > years ago. It seems it is depended on the configuration or operating
    > system of the server.
    >
    > I would see uploading "manually" from an external FTP-client as very
    > tedious.


    Peter,

    Large projects (ones with tons of images and especially ones with lots of
    large files like the 20 MB PDF's mentioned), are more apt to give problems
    when publishing with NOF - especially if your not on a fast upload link.

    Not everyone has 768K DSL upload, so telling NOF to "Publish All" with a
    large project can take HOURS (I had one in my early days take 11 hours to
    upload).

    The only way around it was to select the page you were working on and
    publish all for that page only.

    Unfortunately if you changed the site navigation (added pages) you usually
    had to publish all for the site - and you were in for a long FTP torture
    session.

    If you upload these large files externally and simply link to them, then
    the rest of the website can be published in seconds.


    As for the publish local and use an external FTP, some seem to have to do
    it for success - others do not.

    I've had good luck with using the built-in FTP, but I have always kept big
    PDF's etc external and I never use the NOF galleries (so my images for
    galleries are always external).


    But to clarify - the "best practice" comment was about dealing with large
    files like PDFs more than anything.

    Does that make sense?

    Charles


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  7. #7
    Peter Eisenburger
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    Default Re: NOF9 Freezing While Uploading Files

    Charles Edmonds wrote:
    > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:29:45 +0200, Peter Eisenburger wrote:
    >
    >
    >>> It has always been "best practice" where NOF and large files of any sort
    >>> are concerned to just upload them with an external FTP program and link to
    >>> them in NOF.

    >> Why "best practice"?
    >>
    >> I upload large projects with the NOF-built in FTP-client since version 2
    >> on a daily basis. But I had to change providers for that - about 10
    >> years ago. It seems it is depended on the configuration or operating
    >> system of the server.
    >>
    >> I would see uploading "manually" from an external FTP-client as very
    >> tedious.

    >
    > Peter,
    >
    > Large projects (ones with tons of images and especially ones with lots of
    > large files like the 20 MB PDF's mentioned), are more apt to give problems
    > when publishing with NOF - especially if your not on a fast upload link.
    >
    > Not everyone has 768K DSL upload, so telling NOF to "Publish All" with a
    > large project can take HOURS (I had one in my early days take 11 hours to
    > upload).
    >
    > The only way around it was to select the page you were working on and
    > publish all for that page only.
    >
    > Unfortunately if you changed the site navigation (added pages) you usually
    > had to publish all for the site - and you were in for a long FTP torture
    > session.
    >
    > If you upload these large files externally and simply link to them, then
    > the rest of the website can be published in seconds.
    >
    >
    > As for the publish local and use an external FTP, some seem to have to do
    > it for success - others do not.
    >
    > I've had good luck with using the built-in FTP, but I have always kept big
    > PDF's etc external and I never use the NOF galleries (so my images for
    > galleries are always external).
    >
    >
    > But to clarify - the "best practice" comment was about dealing with large
    > files like PDFs more than anything.


    of course I publish PDFs externally. - what I wanted to say, not only
    big upload jobs, literally everything I ever had to upload,
    incrementally or total, went smooth and fast from within NOF since I
    changed provider in 1998/99.

    Peter

    >
    > Does that make sense?
    >
    > Charles
    >
    >


  8. #8
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: NOF9 Freezing While Uploading Files

    On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:05:16 +0200, Peter Eisenburger wrote:

    > of course I publish PDFs externally. - what I wanted to say, not only
    > big upload jobs, literally everything I ever had to upload,
    > incrementally or total, went smooth and fast from within NOF since I
    > changed provider in 1998/99.


    Oh I see.

    Having a good host (and a good ISP) can make a world of difference - that
    is for sure!

    ;-)

    Charles


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