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    Default MasterBorder vs. ZeroMargin

    For all you experienced NOFers...

    What are the pros/cons of using a typical MasterBorder layout vs. a ZeroMargin type of layout?

    I'm working up a site layout, and am considering doing everything in a ZeroMargin layout, primarily because the top banner will not extend across the entire page, and I'd like to use the top/right corner for some content.

    What am I giving up?

    -RayC

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    First thought that comes to mind is that each time you rearrange page order (or add a new one) you'd have to manually go into each page to update the nav bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayC View Post
    For all you experienced NOFers...

    What are the pros/cons of using a typical MasterBorder layout vs. a ZeroMargin type of layout?

    I'm working up a site layout, and am considering doing everything in a ZeroMargin layout, primarily because the top banner will not extend across the entire page, and I'd like to use the top/right corner for some content.

    What am I giving up?

    -RayC
    Masterborders allow you to reuse components automatically on each page such as navigation and banners. With zeromargins you will need to create the page from scratch (or from a blank master) each time you need a page.

    Creating a blank master (a page that is all set up minus content) then doing a copy/paste in site view to create new pages from it makes working with zeromargins easier as you can have a blank master with nav bars, layout regions, text boxes or tables, and a blank masthead with placeholders that can be replaced with your page specific needs.

    Using zeromargins with a blank master can help you get away from the "cookie cutter" look of a Fusion site built using a site style. Many sites do not use a separate banner in each page but use a company logo instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Hoyt View Post
    First thought that comes to mind is that each time you rearrange page order (or add a new one) you'd have to manually go into each page to update the nav bar.
    The nav bar component reads the site structure in site view (in default mode) and is unaffected by masterborder or zeromargins settings.

    If you create a blank master, add a nav bar component, then copy/paste from the master to add new pages. The new pages you add will be included in the default nav bar settings and added within the navigation just like any page that is added in site view.

    If you move a nav bar on one page, say to center it, it will not be centered on the other pages unless you manually adjust each page,

    Using Masterborders allow you to have a fast easy way to create consistent/uniform looking pages.
    Last edited by gotFusion; 05-21-2010 at 07:04 PM.
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    Mike - Am I safe in thinking/assuming that this is only true if the nav bar is not of a custom nature?
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    First thought that comes to mind is that each time you rearrange page order (or add a new one) you'd have to manually go into each page to update the nav bar.
    Why don´t you try it out. It doesn´t matter where the navigation bar is situated.
    Can be in the Layout, can be in the Masterborder.
    It will show you exactly the pages you have in your project.

    And of course, a custom navi bar is something totally different.

    And to come back to the main question of this thread.
    There is not such a thing as the pros/cons of using a typical MasterBorder layout vs. a ZeroMargin.

    Might be right für some projects to use a ZeroMargins setting.
    Use a table layout and copy the sites in the Site View, as many times as you want.
    I use this for sites with different headers, f.e.

    Or you have a project where the header and the navi remain the same.
    Use Masterborders, makes it easier.
    Last edited by mia; 05-21-2010 at 09:18 PM.
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    In news:RayC.4bbrrb@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com,
    RayC <RayC.4bbrrb@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com> typed:
    > For all you experienced NOFers...
    >
    > What are the pros/cons of using a typical MasterBorder
    > layout vs. a ZeroMargin type of layout?
    >
    > I'm working up a site layout, and am considering doing
    > everything in a ZeroMargin layout, primarily because the
    > top banner will not extend across the entire page, and I'd
    > like to use the top/right corner for some content.
    >
    > What am I giving up?
    >
    > -RayC


    I second Gotfusion's response at 2:52. I'd also like to add that, IMO:
    the most you really give up is the ability to change many different
    areas of the site if its components are all in Master Borders. Say you have
    3 different Master Borders, each containing an address & phone: You can
    change every page on the site by just changing those 3 Master Borders.

    And keep in mind that you can mix & match parts of Master Borders. For
    instance, in the upper levels of a site, you'll want a Banner and you always
    want a copyright statement at the bottom.
    But you don't need any side space for a Master Border and would prefer
    that between the banner and the copyright statement, you want your content
    to use the entire width of the screen display.
    I created a MasterBorder for that case that ONLY includes the top Banner
    and the bottom Copyrght notice, called "top-bottom". Sometimes perhaps you
    only want the copyright notice; make a page that has ONLY a bottom Master
    Border, nothing on the top and sides. It's usually easiest to start with one
    based on zero-margins so you can add only what you want to the screen and
    then save it as a new MB. Works great, IMO.
    IMO, a site with MBs on top, left and bottom gets pretty tiresome looking
    as you get deeper and deeper into your site levels, plus it wastes space and
    often leaves that left column mostly blank. I seldom use the "bottom only"
    MB though; I usually want the banner to be included; for me it carries the
    page title, a small print that "Visitors are expected to adhere to ... "
    policy reminder in a small box to the left of the banner. And I seldom use
    prepared examples for site layouts: They always seem to use up the top third
    of the page when you really only need about a sixth or less of space at the
    top.
    Making too many MBs though can also bite you if you have to change, say,
    the copyright statement as happens each January 1sr, 20xx.
    You can also, if you want to, make a zero margins MB look a lot like a
    MB, even though it's not. Don't know why one would do that very often, but
    you can do it. There are lots of possibilities.
    I'm also a big believer in creating one's own Assets rather than use
    those from templates, even if you base it on a template. The templates never
    seem to have wide enough buttons for me so I edit them in the beginning
    anyway.

    My 2 ¢ anyway; I'm far from a guru,

    Twayne`



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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Hoyt View Post
    Mike - Am I safe in thinking/assuming that this is only true if the nav bar is not of a custom nature?
    Yes, you are correct in that assumption. I am sorry, I should have made it clearer in my first response.

    It would be extremely difficult to use the custom option without the masterborder as each instance of the nav bar component would be a unique instance and have to be set up individually (an almost imposable task). When a page is added each zeromargins page that has the component would need to have the component edited individually to reflect the addition of the new page.

    Using the nav bar component in the default (site) mode you can rearrange files in site view and every instance of the component will adjust automatically to reflect the page order in site view.

    You will have to set up the nav bar in the blank master exactly as you want it before you start creating copies. Set fly-outs etc in the master otherwise each instance on each zeromargins page will need to be changed.

    If thought out carefully using zeromargins pages can be almost as simple and easy as using Masterborders
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    You can use the variable feature in assets view to handle things like copyright without using masterborders. see these tutorials for more details:

    http://www.gotfusion.com/tutorials/tut.cfm?ItemID=240

    http://www.gotfusion.com/tutsTD/variables.cfm
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    Default Re: MasterBorder vs. ZeroMargin

    > It would be extremely difficult to use the custom option without the
    > masterborder as each instance of the nav bar component would be a unique
    > instance and have to be set up individually (an almost imposable task).


    However, you could use a third-party menu such as AllWebMenus from
    Likno. You would still have to update your menu manually, but you'd only
    have to do it once instead of on every page. Then, every page that calls
    the AWM menu gets the update.

    Our site uses three AWM menus. Worth every penny in time and hair saved.

    Allison

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